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Why are Zulip and Mattermost not considered here? To be clear I am a former Mattermost user who would no longer recommend them, but considering Zulip now as a replacement

Maybe they are not for furries?


The post is "Discord alternatives" so it strikes me as strange for only E2EE capable chat apps to be supported.

No, it isn't.

Dang moved all the comments from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46979742 to this thread so now it's confusing.


Do you know if migrating from Mattermost to Zulip is remotely possible?

I had been using Mattermost because it's also (mostly) FOSS. However, they've recently been changing their released OSS edition to restrict capabilities... Unfortunately the org I maintain it for is having some issues with it now and I have metaphorical egg on my face.



> I can say that humans aren't very good at it

You're assuming the people making accusations of posts being written by AI are from humans (which I agree are not good at making this determination). However, computers analyzing massive datasets are likely to be much better at it , and this can also be a Werewolf/Mafia/Killers-type situation where AI frequently accuses posters it believes are human, of being AI, to diminish the severity of accusations and blend in better.


Are you impugning intent on the LLM's part?

> I read the article and couldn’t come up with a reason for the $2B valuation

I think the potential applications in military-grade spyware explain the valuation.

Oh, you mean what are we missing as far as this software meriting that valuation for consumer-friendly uses?


> SPIN THE CAMERA 1080 DEGREES YOU COWARDS

> a full 1080 degree camera spin

Do you mean 3 full turns, or do you mean 180 (one half-turn)?


I mean three full turns. I promise it will fail catastrophically.

> and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building.

I think it's funny that you highlight this, because for many blockchains, their native token is the transactional currency also.

Which opens up the possibility for a marketplace around it, as well as an incentive to grift to recoup one's investment.

AFAIK there's no similar market for LLM tokens (the price may fluctuate, but the AI companies set it, and they can't be resold), but the grift works by instead selling the outputs from using the tokens.


Sure, but that’s presumes the output is something people want to buy, which presumes it is useful. Sure it can pump if useless, but the longer term dump if useless is what separates it from coins.

> the grift works by instead selling the outputs from using the tokens.

is it grift if I want the output, and its contributing usefully to the work I am doing now,?


> and uh... Tesla I suppose

Are Teslas popular in Norway?


Very.

> Tesla was Norway's top-selling car brand for a fifth consecutive year, with a 19.1% market share, followed by Volkswagen at 13.3% of registrations and Volvo Cars at 7.8%.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/norway...



Quite a bit less now than they used to be but there's still a lot of them.

Yes.

> Even including ICE in this statistic, you will never even meet someone who knows someone who was murdered by a cop.

Uh.. I know someone who was murdered by cops while having a bad LSD trip (not violent, just incoherent). He was restrained too tightly despite protests of his family, loaded into a vehicle, and suffocated to death.

> Police encounters that turn deadly, not even blatant murder, are on the order of 1 in 50,000.

Oh I see, you don't consider this murder.


Yes


> Give me some local tool that does disappear when the maintainer moves to the next thing.

This is open source, so whether or not it's a web app should make no difference here


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