I think "we will ban and publicly shame you if you waste our time" is a very clear and adult boundary.

i remember my first time being a chanop on IRC.

It could be a childish overreaction. See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46718635

As always it depends on the circumstances, but should default to quietly closing with WONTFIX. Others have said Daniel is typically helpful and respectful so there we go.

What you linked to is not really evidence, just an unsubstantiated allegation. Over the top public shaming is something that should be pretty easy to provide direct evidence of. When Linus Torvalds does it, it gets repeatedly brought up in forums like this for many years.

I have no reason to believe it is a lie, and it sounds plausible. A 'public shaming' should be a last resort is my assertion, and I stand by it.

> I have no reason to believe it is a lie, and it sounds plausible

Except for all of the responses from people saying it doesn't sound plausible for the project in question, and for the acute lack of real evidence or even details to accompany the allegation.

Additionally, I think "last resort" is way too high a bar. It's totally reasonable for an open source project to have a zero-tolerance policy for AI-generated spam patches or bug reports, and to respond with public shaming after the first offense. Nobody should be expected to make any allowance for such egregious behavior.

A user who is genuine but simply doesn't know how to usefully communicate about their problem doesn't deserve that treatment and should simply be ignored if the devs don't have time to engage in the interrogation necessary to extract a useful bug report. But if the user decides to try to use an LLM to compensate for a lack of content in their bug report, that user would be earning a negative response by making a bad decision. (If you're going to use an LLM, ask it how to write a bug report, rather than asking it to make up a bug report for you.)

The point is to deter further contributions of the same form, including from other users.

This is not the first time the curl project complains about bogus and excessive bug reports.

Well, imagine that you noticed 3 things instead of only one.

1. The first thing

2. The second thing

3. The last thing

Makes perfect sense in that case.

Don't apologize for saying "leech", man. That's part of the problem.

The ability is still there. My son dutifully memorizes all the lyrics of his favorite band’s songs.

What the druids/piests were really decrying was that people spent less time and attention on them. Religion was the first attention economy.

> The Old Way: "I trust this site because the browser says the lock icon is green".

> The Zen Way: "I trust this destination because I have verified its hash fingerprint out-of-band, and the math confirms the signature".

PGP already tried something along those lines. It did not see any adoption.

Problem with that approach is: UX is horrible. If someone technical like myself struggled to get it up and running correctly, what chance do less technical folk have?

If you want to build a really boutique environment for 3 guys to feel good about themselves, the Zen path is the right path.

If you want the public to adopt it, you need that green lock icon.

I have been using it for 15+ years as my main editor and I still feel clumsy. I move doing jjjjjjjjjjj very often. I guess I have reached a local maxima and I don't want to invest the extra time on improving

One of the reasons ChatGPT is taking over google searches for a lot of people is that they also did this kind of shit.

These companies are overconfident.

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

That sounds a lot like "the magical hand of the markets" and "trickle down economics". A hope surrounded by a semblance of logic but not a lot thought put on the important details of how things actually work.

With this I mean: I can think of several ways in which this would go in the other direction (bad for society). And I am not an economics expert.

> gamblers are a little less likely to fall for fake news. Maybe?

Crypto bros. Remember when all of them were saying that NFTs were the future?

What's gray? To me it looks like written proof of incompetence.