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Stop follow hacker news and you will rapidly recover from this illness.

Source: Me, someone that see COBOL all day and still live happily after that.


Exactly.

I work in a similar place. IMS and COBOL is all over the place.

Delphi is too. I maintain mostly C code written 20 years ago.

It pays better than any job I've had previously with up to date technology stacks.

A bunch of mates are Coldfusion coders. Now they are in demand because all these odd places have legacy CF code they have to deal with.

In 10 years time all over the place will be piles of Angular, Node & whatnot to maintain.

The pile just keeps getting bigger.


I loved Delphi 15 years ago. It was WISWIG, click on a button, write an event handler, drag and drop components, it even generated some boilerplate code for me. That was bliss. I learned how to do event driven UI's back then. Today I use jQuery much the same way, but without the nice RAD. Is there a Delphi-esque RAD for JavaScript?


Where do you live? In the center of San Francisco?

In every other place in the world nobody give a damn about the latest technology. They only need something that work for they problems.


Don't be a web developer if you hate fads. There are ERP systems, business systems etc that pretty much use the same tech as 20 years ago...


Mobile developers are ironically stable, being forced to use the language of their platform and maybe whatever their companies cross platform layer is made out of. I've been doing ios dev for 4 to 5 years and it's only whatever is new for the new OS version in objective-c. I was paid to learn all the newness of ios 7 as I transitioned the app towards it. Swift is mostly objective-C in a new skin with welcome improvements, so learning it is easy.


He is a sysadmin...


I dunno. Web developers in Ithaca NY use Angular JS, I know that.


Ithaca is full of hippies, it doesn't count.

/s (GREETINGS, MY ITHACAN BROTHER)


"Every man is free to do what he want and nobody can say him anything"

"So I'm free to force other to do want I want?"

----

Freedom must be protected and preserved, is not something that naturally happen.


No, your freedom stops where mine starts. In other words, you are not free to limit another's freedom, nor is that person free to do the same to you. How much freedom you end up with depends on where and how you live, it should be clear that someone living in a cabin in the woods can expect more freedom than a city-dweller.

Apart from that I'm rather flabbergasted by the continuous fawning over people like Jobs. The man was a sociopath - a type often found in CxO roles for some reason - and not someone worthy of devotion. Study, maybe, to find a way to either cure these people or keep them from positions of influence, but not devotion.



One of the best description for python that I've ever heard


I, in Italy, as a junior software developer, earn €17000/year.

And genuinely I'm not complaining.


Yeah, it's not really accurate for the PIGS , and even in northern Europe, it's not as high as in the States.


I had to look the term up, but my first guess was correct ("Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)


FYI - Another one I learned while being in Europe is FIGS, which sort of represents the "more economically developed" Euro languages - French, Italian, German, Spanish. This pretty much covers every nation you would need to speak to in order to do legitimate business in Europe. (Scandinavia generally will do business with English speakers)


The Germans are pretty solid English speakers too. More so than the French, Italians, or Spaniards, anyway.


I live in Germany, good luck trying to speak English outside the big cities or people with lower levels of education.

Thankfully it doesn't matter to me as I speak the language fluently.


I was about to flag him for being offensive to Italians ;)


Possibly a dumb question, what does PIGS mean?


Maybe "Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain"?


Actually it's PIIGS you add Ireland to the mix and you're right.


Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain


Doesn't sound like much. What lifestyle do you afford on this? Any improvement prospects?


Better than half of my peers for sure.

Of course you can grow with time, both in salary and in responsibility, for now I'm the classical code monkey but I have an idea for a startup that would like to develop so I will leave the job before the end of the year.


I've read that many "young" Italians live in their parents house at least until their early 30s. Maybe he's in the same situation.


Actually yes, I live with my parents.

I would probably be able to rent a small 1-room flat but for now I prefer to save money.


I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, 17k in Italy as junior-anything, is EXTREMELY well!


I actually missed the junior part :)


First of, congrats. Out of curiosity, what technologies are you paid to use? Rails/ObjC (ios)?

Junior 17k in Italy? That sounds a little bit wild...

NOTE: Sorry, I understood 17k per MONTH. Scratch the comment (keep the congrats! :-P )


I work in C#, sometime javascript if needed.

For a small IT consulting firm.


Where in Italy?

My girlfriend studies Italian and we might move to Italy for a year or two, hence I'm curious. Significant differences in terms of salary?


A medium city in north Italy. There are significant differences in terms of salary and HUGE differences in term of jobs availability and cost of living.

Some planning is needed if you want to a nice living.


I thought about the north for sure - maybe Genova or Milano


You mean 17000 after taxes?


Yes


That's like what, 22K before tax?


Much more - you should consider that under "taxes" in Italy we also consider medical coverage (which is actually part of the taxes) and a retirement plan (which is not actually a tax, but practically it's almost the same). The retirement plan for full time, normal employees, runs at an incredibly high 33% of your salary. In my personal opinion, this is the REAL problem here, more than taxes.


I'm getting payed more than that for an internship in france!



No, you probably don't want to use F# if you can't use the .NET framework.


Many of the core F# developers develop on Mono first, so I think it's probably reasonable to run F# on something other than Microsoft's VM.


Yes and not, you surely can develop successfully with mono on linux, but .NET is not "write once, run everywhere", is more a "write once, run everything" framework. It's heavy tangled with all the Microsoft and Windows technology and promote the reuse of code in that ecosystem.


That's a rather unique take, given how Xamarin has managed to build a massively successful company around the idea of using .NET to target non-Windows platforms.


a relatively successful company.

Xamarind is a drop in the sea of .NET


Every company that isn't the size of Microsoft is a drop in the sea of .NET.


do you mean the runtime, rather than the framework? my limited understanding of Mono is that it will _run_ most .Net libraries, albeit not as fast.


.NET framework is:

+ runtime

+ core = standard library, io/string/async/thread/etc/linq.

+ some bundled stack, like wcf for create service, wpf for ui, mef for plugin, xml serialization, json serialization, asp.net webforms, etc.

Mono try to reimplement all. Runtime and standard library work very well on mono.

bundled stacks can work, work partially or not implemented, depends (on contribution, check mono website). Some stack are really old way to do things, deprecated, usefull only on windows. Also Microsoft for new stacks (like asp.net MVC) try to open source, so mono need to compile source and fix bug/different behaviour, not rewrite

If you use a library who depends on a bundled stack, can or cannot work on mono. Library who depends on open source or standard lib, should work


Also, Visual Basic and Visual C++ don't have a good support in the mono project.

And obviously you can't use SQL Server or IIS; two components usually used in .Net applications; under unix


This is a very good article on images hashing. Thanks


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