You don't, same as for the "generate momentjs and use it". People now firmly believe they can use an LLM to build custom versions of these libraries and rewrite whole ecosystems out of nowhere because Claude said "here's the code".
I've come to realize fighting this is useless, people will do this, its going to create large fuck ups and there will be heaps of money to be made on the cleanup jobs.
There's going to be lots of fuck ups, but with frontier models improving so much there's also going to be lots of great things made. Horrible, soul crushing technical debt addressed because it was offloaded to models rather than spending a person's thought and sanity on it.
I think overall for engineering this is going to be a net positive.
Its also bullshit to say the EU has less regulation on developing planes than the US. Boing was just incompetent and mismanaged because of decades of government handouts keeping the business going and MBA wielding idiots cutting costs at every corner.
It became a private equity managed business without ever being bought by private equity.
> Boing was just incompetent and mismanaged because of decades of government handouts keeping the business going and MBA wielding idiots cutting costs at every corner.
>cutting costs at every corner
Costs like those incurred when adhering to safety standards set by regulations?
There's also the surprise factor that it just never gets cheaper, the newly formed monopolies quickly take over and push prices up beyond what they were before and milk the cow they were given until all customers are bled dry.
People that missed the solar bandwagon during the Biden admin are going to regret dearly not having installed it at the price and interest it was back then, we'll never see that again.
Countries shouldn't have outsourced all research and development to the US, hope they all notice this wasn't a good plan and that they all need to get back to it right now.
It’s difficult to compete economically. If the US has welcoming immigration policies for scientists and will pay 10x what your country can afford then you’re going to end up with a brain drain.
Recent changes in the US have changed that calculus but you can’t create an entire industry in the blink of an eye (and, of course, those changes can be reversed at any point)
Agreed with this sentiment. The average American doesn't care about any of this. Why would they? You have someone working 40+ hours a week to just barely be able to afford a dumpy apartment, with no real prospects or signs of escape - tell them that the US may no longer be paying top dollar to import the smartest people around the globe and see what they care.
In order for all of this to work cleanly, you need the everyman taken care of and actually willing to participate and have hope for the future. Until then you'll just get a slew of likely underhanded populists, because they at least pretended to care.
That's why you need smart people who care planning things. Miss out on either of those and you're going to fail. And right how we have people "planning" things who are neither smart nor caring.
> The average American doesn't care about any of this. Why would they?
Because scientific industries form a part of the US economy and hire a great many average Americans! And when you employ a good number of people there are a bunch of connected industries you spend money with, who in turn employ a lot of average Americans.
It is a rationale, but ironically a very socialist one, which I believe would be anathema to the people actually making the decisions and the people who voted for them too.
I think you need to show the working a little on a statement like that. Some immediate questions that come to mind:
- how many US citizens do these labs hire for every immigrant scientist they employ? There are support roles at all levels, all the way down to custodian. What jobs are lost when these grants are denied? A lot of this work will (hopefully!) continue, just in other counties. Now those countries get to employ their citizens instead.
- are the youth unemployed compared to previous levels? Are these unemployed youths able to do the jobs the immigrants do?
The US doesn’t take in skilled immigrants as a favor to the rest of the world or something. Other countries educate their citizens to a high level then the US poaches them and has them contribute to growing the US economy. It’s the story of countless Silicon Valley startups so it’s especially surprising to see this sentiment on HN!
Countries don’t outsource any research to the US. US funding lured many scientists to the US but this has never been seen as a positive thing outside the US. In Canada we call it brain drain. Now we’re capitalizing and the US science failing to strengthen our science sector.
Long term science is not at risk. Science doesn’t need the US. This is, however, a big problem for the US.
Don't worry, countries didn't do that. Academia is quite strong outside of the US. Still a loss of course!
When we talk about innovation, hn has a narrow focus on the well-known monopolies. That is understandable, because they are well-known brands, not some obscure innovative Swiss company in a critical supply chain. Reality is more complex than we discuss about, fortunately enough.
But the focus on the winner-takes-all is also a bit unhealthy, because monopolies are the anti-thesis of a free market. A free market needs rules to keep it free and fair. I know, that conflicts with the sponsored narratives--how else can you get people to justify gatekeeper siphoning everyone of in their walled garden?
It wasn’t exactly those countries choice, but since the US seems hell bent on sabotaging itself one can only hope the rest of the western world picks up this slack.
Same here, I'm seeing more and more people getting into these interactions and wondering how long until we have widespread social issues due to these relationships like people have with "influencers" on social networks today.
It feels like this situation is much more worrisome as you can actually talk to the thing and it responds to you alone, so it definitely feels like there's something there.
I'm going to predict there will be a movement into "build it in house with LLMs", these things are going to be expensive, they are going to fail to deliver or be updated and there will be a huge bounce back. The cost of writing software is very small, the cost of running and scaling it is there the money is and these people can't have their own IT teams rebuilding and maintaining all this stuff form scratch.
A lot of them will try though, just means more work for engineers in the future to clean this shit up.
I think there's a good chance. These things happen in cycles. A few decades ago it was common for companies to have in-house software development using something like COBOL or maybe BASIC (and at that time, sofware development was a cost-center job, it paid OK but nothing like what it does today). Then there was a push for COTS (commercial of-the-shelf) software. Then the internet made SaaS possible and that got hot. Developer salaries exploded. Now LLMs have people saying "just do it in house" again. Lessons are forgotten and have to be re-learned.
Is there anyone doing dev work that operates in an environment where people can clearly articulate what they want? I've never worked in a place like that in 20 years doing software.
Most of the time when someone adds these fancy languages what happens is that they leave and the ones left are the ones that have to deal with the shit that was produced.
I'm going through this now, having to deal with code nobody wants to touch because it is overly complex, has no documentation, and is in a language no one else knows. Now, whenever i see an effort like this, to bring an exoteric language for absolutely no good reason, i try to kill it as fast as possible.
I don't want to be the victim of this code in the future or have my team bear the cost of maintaining stuff they don't understand.
I have the same problem, people are trying so badly to come up with reasoning for it when there's just nothing like that there. It was trained on it and it finds stuff it was trained to find, if you go out of the training it gets lost, we expect it to get lost.
I've come to realize fighting this is useless, people will do this, its going to create large fuck ups and there will be heaps of money to be made on the cleanup jobs.
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