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Here's an example of an issue they didn't like getting deleted https://github.com/meshcore-dev/MeshCore/issues/1159


While it looks like Meshtastic devs probably made at least some mistakes relating to that underlying complaint, I think that thread provides thorough evidence that banning that particular user was a reasonable choice.


He went off the rails as a reactionary move is how I see it. He got mad because his issue was deleted. I'm banned from the discord for a disagreement with one of the developers; but I've done code contributions to the project as well.


You can run a full blown weather station on MeshCore with wind rain temperatures etc


There's only so much bandwidth available so pick and choose what the firmware is good at. MeshCore went all in on messaging and tracing. Meshtastic is a more noisy protocol which is perfect for camping and hiking in small groups.


Both have GitHub projects that you can compile firmware from. One is MIT, the other is aggressively GPL


Checkout MeshCore; we're doing 400 miles using 12 hops going from north Vancouver to Eugene Oregon https://analyzer.letsme.sh/map?lat=47.36113&long=-122.20419&...


> 400 miles using 12 hops

What's the E2E latency on that, for curiosities sake :)


6 seconds or so


Ah, that's not too bad honestly, nicely done.

I can't wait for us to somehow figure out how to connect all the various mesh-networks in the world. MeshCore is a whole continent and ocean(s) away from say Freifunk or Guifi, but would be incredible if we could figure out how to interconnect between them, so we could all talk via the already built alt-infra. Maybe the FossaSat mentioned in another comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806794) could finally be one option.


Can you recommend any outdoor node hardware that can provide services for both MeshCore and Meshtastic? Cost is not an issue, optimizing for “plug in and does All The Things.”


You'd need two radios, one antenna stacked on top of each other. Z offset of a minimum height of 1m/3'. In the X,Y offset of 0,0. You want high gain 8-10db antennas in this arrangement; you'd need more space between if you use lower gain antennas.

If you're looking for parts the Diamond BC920 is the best antenna. Station G2 with a $100 3-4mhz cavity filter for each frequency as well.


Checkout MeshCore, it has the concept of a room server which is a private store and forward server. Also see this https://github.com/mikecarper/meshfirmware/blob/main/MeshCor...


Check out the alternative https://github.com/meshcore-dev/MeshCore Seattle has the largest functioning mesh core installation in the world


MeshCore seems to enforce a strict separation between client devices and repeater devices, which is a significant downside for many use cases.


I find meshcore way more useful as I know if my messages arrive. On meshtastic the conversations especially in groups are always incomplete.


They're looking at ways to have regular nodes repeat on the network. Right now it's a one line change to enable it. Doing it well and smart is what's holding it back


Drupal isn't one person last time I checked; but yes this is correct for almost all projects


If you need to communicate with people in your area and not be tracked; MeshCore software with LoRa hardware like the this https://lilygo.cc/en-ca/products/t-lora-pager is something to consider. Text only, completely offline


If you need to do this then start by figuring out why you need to do it, and adjust your approach too your threat model.

Because the most significant evidence we have lately is that in-person meetings or dead drops and other low tech means are how you avoid being tracked.

Turning on any sort of radio transmitter is just turning on a big flash light into the sky.

Turning on anything relatively uncommon is even worse: normal people have cellphones and use them. They don't use LoRa devices, there aren't a lot of LoRa devices and someone who only uses LoRa devices will stand out in any dataset.


> Because the most significant evidence we have lately is that in-person meetings or dead drops and other low tech means are how you avoid being tracked.

How many cameras did you just go by? did you have your cell phone on you? how many networks did it connect too? how many bluetooth broadcasts did it passively send out? Not being tracked and being in public are slowly becoming an untenable duo.


Most of the threats you've identified are enabled by carrying a location enabled radio device on you when you're out in public.

But it isn't illegal to wear a hat and sunglasseses, for example, and it is common to do so.


Yes!!! I've been wanting to make something like this for a long time. But unless the firmware is open source I wouldn't trust this for anything secure. But this looks like a dev kit so I can do whatever I want.


There are other alternatives https://meshtastic.org


It's mostly open source. https://github.com/meshcore-dev/MeshCore They have a couple minor things that are paid features.


Except that your texts go out to everyone on the mesh network.


Almost like ethernet, if only there were a way to fix that


MeshCore has verified public key sharing; see what happened to the other network at defcon. Direct messages are encrypted.


These look pretty fun, have you played with them much? What kind of range can you get?


I’ve tried them on snowmobile trails. With the vegetation the range was about a mile.

Range can be 100+ miles though if you can establish line of sight. Depending on the scenario, a high elevation repeater could give several mobile devices pretty significant range.


Range is line of sight. If you can see it, even if 100 miles away, odds are it'll work. Seattle area has one of the better networks for MeshCore. Tacoma to Vancouver BC is the range for semi reliable messaging


Don't the different frequency bands change that a lot? iirc these are all lower frequency so they can cut through foliage better than say 5ghz wi-fi


Yes you can get decent reception inside buildings. It operates in the 915mhz band. Similar frequencies to old school pagers. Lora is an interesting RF protocol, it has really good properties for operating below the noise floor.


Or just ham radio (not anonymous though)


And illegal to obscure/encrypt: http://www.arrl.org/part-97-text


It's a shame how neutered ham radio is.


not really. The prohibition on encryption/obfuscation is how you keep abusers off the frequencies.

If you run into someone who is regularly

- using encryption, obfuscation - failing to identify with a callsign - using lots of bandwidth - doing some sort of commercial activity.

then you get a group together, track them down, and report them to the FCC.

The thing people forget is that the primary goal of the ham system is to promote radio experience and experimentation. That is why there is such a wide variety of frequencies available.


I don't see prices of previous auctions. What do these go for roughly?


One went for $440K in 2022 [1], and one that was an Apple owned unit that came from the "office of Steve Jobs" went for $945K last year [2].

1. https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/16/apple-1-sells-for-440k/

2. https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6495022


Crazy that Apple sold this.


Seems like it belonged to an Apple employee who passed away.


Yes. Details are in the Christie's auction listing linked above. Scroll down to read the very interesting article about the Apple 1 in general and specifics about this particular machine.


Looks like it came from the Living Computer Museum.[0]

[0] https://www.geekwire.com/2017/important-computer-history-ste...


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