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> also can't fully square up that the equivalent American apps aren't allowed in China

It's a chance to showcase how we're "more free" or literally just as restrictive


At its core free speech is about the freedom from government influence and the complaint is about government influence.

It’s one thing to allow the CCP to say whatever it wants, it’s something else to allow them the ability to manipulate of what other people can say. Allowing such a highly restricted platform seems like it hurts free speech more than it helps.


> https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/24/shadowbanning-...

Maybe you disagree with the viewpoint or message, but it seems awfully paternal for such wide spread censorship.

This is why we can't trust only the US to provide us our social media and even if we don't like who is offering it.


TikTok also has an enormous shadowbanning problem so your complaint here is moot.


>Allowing such a highly restricted platform

Tiktok was and still is banned in China by the way.


Yea it’s banned in India, Afghanistan, China and a few others. It’s kind of an odd list, including democracies and autocratic governments.


It's not a highly restricted platform at all, there were literally videos of translated Hitler speeches trending with hundreds of thousands of likes, even though the CCP absolutely hates western nationalism.


This is the platform that led to the proliferation of newspeak terms like "unalive" to circumvent content restrictions. Such speech restrictions were never a thing on FB, IG, X, or YT, yet this form of self-censorship has spread to those platforms anyway, because TikTok users have become so used to it.


While there aren't direct speech restrictions in platforms like YouTube, you're leaving out the crucial detail that mentioning words like "suicide" gets your video demonetized, which directly causes similar self-censorship.


YouTube pays creators based on advertising deals making some topics far more valuable, while other topics have become very sensitive to advertisers. That’s related, but different from censorship.

Creators are still free to use YouTube as a platform to discuss sensitive topics with a very large audience without paying per viewer, unlike say advertising or standing at a street corner talking to passersby. As such YouTube is still supporting the discussion and distribution of said content.


Sure! Yet creators choose to censor themselves in similar ways to keep ad revenue coming in.


Restrictions become more effective when they are less obvious.

When as has been demonstrated their algorithm ignores the number of upvotes in favor of massively promoting viewpoints it cares about, that’s also vast suppression of opposing viewpoints but in a way o get creators to quietly comply rather than try and push the boundaries.


China probably doesn't care about Hitler. How about Tiananmen Square? Do you see a lot of trending coverage on Hong Kong protests?


Here is a list on what restrictions Chinese citizens live with

- Workers in state sectors can be banned from traveling out of China https://www.scmp.com/news/article/3265503/chinas-expanding-t.... Also, non 1st tier city citizens can have a hard time getting passports, essentially a ban of travelling

- banned from using trains or airline if they are on the social credit score ban

- banned from moving money out of China for more than $50k a year

- banned from accessing foreign websites. VPN is technically illegal, and using it can get you into trouble

- banned from accessing porn

- banned from using a long list of restricted words on social media, from Winnie the Pooh, to "support Xinjiang people"

- banned from using TikTok

- banned from protesting against lost wages from state enterprises

- banned from group protesting

the list goes on and on and on


Ok, that’s their country what does it have to do with us? Also why do we do this:

> https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/24/shadowbanning-...

This is why it’s good to have a social media company free of US control.


Yes it's great to have chinese companies on american soil that prevent people from saying "taiwan number one" in games like marvel rivals.

So much freedom!!!!

Do you hear yourself? Are you insane?


> Ok, that’s their country what does it have to do with us?

I mean, nothing really. You could say the same about Israel and Palestine, or Saudi Arabia and Iran, or China and Hong Kong. Human rights abuses are perfectly acceptable in today's society, as long as they're out of sight and out of mind. He who controls visibility into human suffering controls the way people perceive his control. Hasbara, in Israeli vernacular.

> Also why do we do this:

Because Zionist lobbying exerts disproportionate control over both the US tech industry and the legislative apparatus regulating it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

You're not going to drive a wedge between people by repeating the Israel stance, though. If you tried to expose China's same abuses for working slave labor to death or suicide, you'd be suppressed in exactly the same way America suppresses your anti-Israel content. From a national security perspective, TikTok's existence is about whether another country can impose their own double-standard on top of America's own populist opinion. Today it's the war in Gaza, but tomorrow it will be about suppressing democracy in Taiwan for the "betterment of global peace" et. al. You can't deny China's plans to use TikTok for war with a straight face - by many accounts it's already started.


The US does not need to showcase anything, they are magnitudes more free in speech than mainland China. To suggest otherwise is strange.


With or without Tiktok, the USA is nowhere near as restrictive as the CCP. The users who tried RedNote discovered that very quickly.


People trying to act like this Chinese controlled vehicle supports free speech is so weird to me. They're not "censoring" anything - they're using it as a straight unimpeded funnel to subvert the west.


> they're using it as a straight unimpeded funnel to subvert the west.

And Fox News is also a foreign-owned straight unimpeded funnel used to subvert democracy, which sows division and conflict in our society.

It's done orders of magnitude more harm to it than TikTok ever has.

When are we banning it?


Rupert Murdoch got US citizenship because of foreign ownership rules. From his wiki page:

> On 4 September 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own US television stations.


I am pretty sure a Chinese-American owner would be considered Chinese for the conversation about foreign control over TikTok.


China doesn’t allow for or recognize dual citizenship, so it doesn’t matter unless they also gave up their Chinese citizenship (rumor has it the CPC relaxed this rule for a certain snowboarder). But ya, that Murdoch is also Australian is probably benign.


Nothing about Murdoch's politics is benign. They've done more damage to democracy worldwide, but particularly in the US, than China ever will.

Speaking of hostile foreigners, a prominent South African was just giving the crowd a few Nazi salutes at the inauguration. Is that also benign? At what exact point do we start observing that the enemies to democracy are inside the house?


Ok, Murdoch’s Australian citizenship would be seen as benign, unless you are going to tell me that Australians are as dangerous as Murdoch in general?


They are about as dangerous as Chinese Americans, which is to say, not at all.

Particular people are problematic. But you can only judge that by actions, not by their country of birth.

Which is what makes this foreign manipulation rhetoric and ban rubbish. It refuses to identify what the bad actions it's trying to protect us from are, it's just a lazy, prejudiced rubric that gives the most egregious ones a free pass, because they have the right color stripes on their pin.


I already mentioned that dual citizenship isn’t possible for Chinese. There is no person over 18 that holds Chinese and American citizenship, but you keep somehow ignoring that. Any Chinese can get American citizenship, get rid of Chinese citizenship, and buy a tv station in the states, the process is straightforward, and they won’t deny you because your ethnicity is Han or Hui or whatever.


I doubt China's unwillingness to recognize dual citizenship would be the problem.


What defence remains against an autocratic government who will use that very freedom as an attack vector for their nefarious goals.


The United States used to claim we had a laissez-faire market. We don't claim that anymore.


In founding of the United States lies tariff stories. The United States does not reject government and nations as entities at all. It just asserts rights for its citizens which doesn't include everyone on the planet.


Or it’s a chance to be “fair”


The argument seems a bit hysterical, it's not like everyone is forced to use TikTok, they can get hair tips, learn about Gaza, or get whatever views from TikTok, or Facebook, or Twitter, or Twitch or...

American's would have the freedom to choose what social media they want to consume, now they are forced to only have one controlled by a US billionaire.


the point is that US has clear and direct influence to twitter/facebook/instagram algorithms and recommendations and they can suppress one topic or another. it is not the case with tiktok, and this is primary reason for this ban


> Seems like the hardware upgrade for the Steamdeck will be very soon

I doubt it, the Lenovo Steam-OS option is utilizing Ryzen R2 Go, which has the same RNDA architecture as Valve's handheld and pretty similar (though slightly better) specs.

There's newer architectures but they chose the same as OG Steam deck for... compatibility? Ease of OS support? Something else? I doubt Vavle would help Lenovo with support on a device they'd shortly eclipse with better specs.


> I doubt Vavle would help Lenovo with support on a device they'd shortly eclipse with better specs.

Why wouldn’t they? It more or less locks the user into the Steam store where Valve gets a cut of every sale. That’s their primary income stream.


I got into desktop gaming at the 970 and the common wisdom (to me at least, maybe I was silly) was I could get away with a lower wattage power supply and use it in future generations cause everything would keep getting more efficient. Hah...


For the curious what I actually did was stop gaming and haven't bought a GPU since 2000's! GPU stuff is still interesting to me, though.


I stopped playing a lot of games post-2010/2014 or so.

Lots of games that are fine on Intel Integrated graphics out there.


I went from 970 to 3070 and it now draws less power on average. I can even lower the max power to 50% and not notice a difference for most games that I play.


Yeah, do like me, I lower settings from "ultra hardcore" to "high" and keep living fine on a 3060 at 1440p for another few gens.

I'm not buying GPUs that expensive nor energy consuming, no chance.

In any case I think Maxwell/Pascal efficiency won't be seen anymore, with those RT cores you get more energy draw, can't get around that.


I've actually reversed my GPU buying logic from the old days. I used to buy the most powerful bleeding edge GPU I could afford. Now I buy the minimum viable one for the games I play, and only bother to upgrade if a new game requires a higher minimum viable GPU spec. Also I generally favor gameplay over graphics, which makes this strategy viable.


Yeah, that's another fact.

I upgrade GPUs then keep launching League of Legends and other games that really don't need much power :)


I'm generally a 1080p@60hz gamer and my 3060 Ti is overpowered for a lot of the games I play. However, there are an increasing number of titles being released over the past couple of years where even on medium settings the card struggles to keep a consistent 60 fps frame rate.

I've wanted to upgrade but overall I'm more concerned about power consumption than raw total performance and each successive generation of GPUs from nVidia seems to be going the wrong direction.


I think you can get a 5060 and simply down volt it some, you'll get more or less the same performance while reducing power draw sensibly.


That's probably not going to be an option for me as I wanted to upgrade to something with 16 GB of vram. I do toy with running LLM inference and squeezing models to fit in 8 GB vram is painful. Since the 5070 non-ti has 12 GB of vram there is no hope that a 5060 would have more vram than that. So, at a minimum I'm stuck with the prospect of upgrading to a 5070 ti.

That's not the end of the world for me if I move to a 5070 ti and you are quite correct that I can downclock/undervolt to keep a handle on power consumption. The price makes it a bit of a hard pill to swallow though.


I feel similarly; I just picked up a second hand 6600 XT (similar performance to 3060) and I feel like it would be a while before I'd be tempted to upgrade, and certainly not for $500+, much less thousands.


8Gb VRAM isn't enough for newer games though.


I thought opposite. My powersupply is just another component. I'll upgrade it as I need to. But keeping it all quiet and cool...

I built a gaming PC aiming to last 8-10 years. I spent $$$ on MO-RA3 radiator for water cooling loop.

My view:

1. a gaming PC is almost always plugged into a wall powerpoint

2. loudest voices in the market always want "MOAR POWA!!!"

1. + 2. = gaming PC will evolve until it takes up the max wattage a powerpoint can deliver.

For the future: "split system aircon" built into your gaming PC.


Back in high school I worked with some pleasant man in his 50's who was a cashier. Eventually we got to talking about jobs and it turns out he was typist (something like that) for most of his life than computers came along and now he makes close to minimum wage.

Most of the blacksmiths in the 19th century drank themselves to death after the industrial revolution. the US culture isn't one of care... Point is, it's reasonable to be sad and afraid of change, and think carefully about what to specialize in.

That said... we're at the point of diminishing returns in LLM, so I doubt any very technical jobs are being lost soon. [1]

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/20/ai-scaling-laws-are-showin...


> Most of the blacksmiths in the 19th century drank themselves to death after the industrial revolution

This is hyperbolic and a dramatic oversimplification and does not accurately describe the reality of the transition from blacksmithing to more advanced roles like machining, toolmaking, and working in factories. The 19th century was a time of interchangeable parts (think the North's advantage in the Civil War) and that requires a ton of mechanical expertise and precision.

Many blacksmiths not only made the transition to machining, but there weren't enough blackmsiths to fill the bevy of new jobs that were available. Education expanded to fill those roles. Traditional blacksmithing didn’t vanish either, even specialized roles like farriery and ornamental ironwork also expanded.


> That said... we're at the point of diminishing returns in LLM...

What evidence are you basing this statement from? Because, the article you are currently in the comment section of certainly doesn't seem to support this view.


Good points, though if an 'AI' can be made powerful enough to displace technical fields en masse then pretty much everything that isn't manual is going to start sinking fast.

On the plus side, LLMs don't bring us closer to that dystopia: if unlimited knowledge(tm) ever becomes just One Prompt Away it won't come from OpenAI.


There is a survivorship bias on the people giving advice.

Lots of people die for reason X then the world moves on without them.


And, most importantly, the artificial scarcity imposed by a single company.


Which is the actual product.


But it's not a news story if you realize there's an environmental cause, not to mention a conscious decision of the US government.


That’s because it’s not actually defense it’s offense and since we’re the worlds sole super power it’s extremely coercive offense.


Your perspective is about 15-20 years out of date, maybe valid in the 1990s or early 2000s. The US is extremely vulnerable both economically and militarily to the "New Axis" (China, Russia, Iran, North Korea). China alone could easily out-manufacture its way to a victory in a conventional war with the US. The US, for all its faults, was a stabilizing force that permitted free markets to flourish in a unipolar world. It is quickly becoming a multipolar world where nationalist industrial policy will decide the future winners. Whatever your thoughts on US policy, I guarantee you'll enjoy China's or Russia's even less.


"a unipolar world" that benefits you is a good thing, I get it. But that kind of thinking is the reason why the US isn't very popular on the world stage, even with its allies. Most of them would backstab the US if they could afford it. Thankfully, politics is a coward's game, keeping everyone a little bit more alive unless your ambitions are absurdly grand.


The US is not very popular anymore because it kept abusing it's unique position as the #1 military power, starting wars it had no business starting, not because it is(was?) #1 as you are suggesting.


> US is not very popular anymore because it kept abusing it's unique position as the #1 military power, starting wars it had no business starting

Versus China (annexed Tibet), Russia (annexing Ukraine) and Iran (banana republics across the Middle East)?

People like to see themselves as edgy. It's edgy to be in the rich world and decry imperialism of America's system of allies.


> People like to see themselves as edgy. It's edgy to be in the rich world and decry imperialism of America's system of allies.

I suspect that's just your rationalization to make it easy to dismiss people who have a real problem with the status quo.

I don't know a single adult who likes to see themselves as edgy just for the sake of it, but I do know many adults who hold deep disagreements with the status quo and who're not afraid to express it.


> that's just your rationalization to make it easy to dismiss people who have a real problem with the status quo

No, someone saying they don't like the status quo make sense. Global politics are anarchic. It's obviously better to be on the winning side. Where I get credulous is when someone claims their preferred actor, especially if an autocrat, would be superior for disinterested parties.


Who claimed those countries have any moral high ground?


Since the US effectively became a unipolar power sometime in the late 1980s, the share of the human population living in extreme poverty has fallen off a cliff [https://ourworldindata.org/poverty#all-charts]. Yes, that has come with mind-boggling inequality, but I doubt the middle class people from Asia and Latin America would prefer to go back to subsistence farming just to erase billionaires. I'll never understand why some people seem to think Americans are the only people who benefited from the Pax Americana period (which is now ending -- be careful what you wished for!)


> Whatever your thoughts on US policy, I guarantee you'll enjoy China's or Russia's even less.

The global politics rendition of "nobody else would ever love you."


Day of election there is a big tally when votes come in and pictures of American Democracy In Action with a bunch of puff stories about people in lines. Huge time for viewership, not a huge time for important journalism.

There is no perfect time to strike, but I think other outlets can cover the typical:

- "huge lines in Pennsylvania!"

- "Polls close in [KEY SWING STATE] in 2 hours!"

- "Wow the whole west coast went blue, who would have thought!"

- "Shocker that one battleground is going into recount which will somehow last 4 weeks."


> Striking during election week is kind of a crappy move to pull

NYTimes has dragged out the negotiations for months, refusing to have a contract. It's kinda a make or break time for the union.

When would be better to strike, what time would NYTimes and the audience prefer? It should be during a choke point otherwise management wouldn't listen.

Additionally, this is a high traffic time, but not really a high stakes time I'd argue. They're not going to influence the election by going out day before or day of it, they will just lose viewership to others covering what's happening.


Didn't Wirecutter once strike during Black Friday?

https://nypost.com/2021/11/25/workers-at-new-york-times-wire...


>When would be better to strike

i think the point the parent is making is that a better time to strike would be when they have specific demands that management is able to meet - to get them to the negotiating table, or to get them to sign a contract.

but in the case where management is already at the negotiating table, and there's no contract to be signed, it's not clear what short-term goal a strike is meant to achieve. the only thing it does is cause hurt. Hurting management is going to make their negotiations more difficult. and hurting management in this specific way is not just hurting management, it's also alienating their journalist colleagues who should be their strongest allies in this fight.


> when they have specific demands that management is able to meet

It's just wild how management is able to unilaterally decide what is and isn't reasonable, and just label unions as childish.

"We want to help you, but you're hurting us!" is one small step away from "gosh we love the idea of unions but it causes too much friction between workers and management, and trust me, management knows best."


I don't think parent is defending the management here; rather pointing out that it's a strategic error to play your strongest negotiating card before you are ready to make the deal. True, the New York Times will miss out on the election coverage bonanza this time, but unless the union can say "sign here to make this problem go away" they are just hurting the management for nothing. I've only heard of the story today, but it doesn't sound like the union even has a written offer ready.


> "sign here to make this problem go away"

They been saying that about 2.5 years now. They have clear demands that the management can just accept.


Pretty sure they're ready to make the deal if they get just-cause, work from home, and salary.

It's been a long time they've been trying to make a deal so it's disingenuous to say they're pulling the card early. Management refused to come to the table until recently.


NY Times management has been accused of some extremely shady stuff. For example, their chief union negotiator is also responsible for disciplining wayward staff members. Union members who strongly advocate get more infractions and punishments than those who are passive.


Management are already hurt by the formation of the union, and not agreeing to a contract is their way of attempting to hurt the union back.

I'd agree with you if the situation suggested management were acting in good faith, but 6+ months to negotiate is them either not taking the union seriously or trying to wear them down and make union leadership look ineffective to members.


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