I also appreciate the callout but don’t believe it’s in bad taste. There are enough analogs, and it makes you question the type of people who run the companies and make the decisions. In MSFTs case, Bill Gates was an associate with a known pedophile and likely an abuser himself.
I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are filled with abusive freaks and their decision making reflects that.
A article mapping out those connections would be a good thing to do. That’s not what this article is, though. This is about Microsoft having poor quality software and a business model that is adversarial to their customers.
I do. I also grew up on 4chan because I didn’t have an involved parent, and I lived in the suburbs where finding friends to just “go outside and play” wasn’t an option. Consuming that content was genuinely hurtful and probably forever altered my psyche. I have the means and knowledge, in technical skill and life experience, to know how these things work, and protect my kids from that. Most people don’t.
Which threads affected you the most? rekt? or perhaps all threads in /pol/? What changed you and how are you different?
I admit watching and hearing the videos of children being live organ harvested was a bit rough on me. Most try to say those are fake as a coping mechanism but sadly they are very real and it occurs in every state/province of every country 24/7. It's a massive business. There are rescue orgs that try to intervene but they are almost always too late.
4chan was pretty cool, one of the best sites there ever was. It has had the most impact on the internet. Reddit is basically few guys wanting to make money off of a PC 4chan, and we know the impact Reddit has. The content Reddit had for YEARS was basically recycled 4chan, the topics of certain subreddits were totally inherited from 4chan boards, while losing the main cool thing about 4chan, anonymity.
Haven’t you considered that the fact you were exposed to these things made you who you are today am able to say that with conviction. If you had been shielded from the reality on human extremism you would not.
Vouched, because this was going to be my counterpoint as someone who had the same circumstances as the grandparent.
Despite the enormously heinous stuff I've seen on that site, it has made me a better writer, developed my critical thinking skills, and given me a perspective on the world and its people that wouldn't have existed without.
It also introduced me to many different things and developed my taste beyond measure.
The massive downside, that I suspect the grandparent still wrestles with, is integrating all of depravity of humankind into a coherent world view without falling into cognitive dissonance between the idealized and constructed world with an onslaught of information on the actual reality of it.
It's sort of like looking into the Epstein files and having to decide one's reaction to them:
- crushed by despair at the state of things leading to nihilism and depression
- deciding to ignore it all, and continuing to go on about one's life without integrating it
- acceptance, normalization, and corruption
- a secret fourth option that reaffirms you, using that news as fuel for whatever ends in the hope you can improve the world even if just a little bit, despite how ugly it is
Should 4chan or something similarly extreme be recommended reading for children/adolescents to understand the horrors of the world then?
I would bet that some young people will be as reflective and independently minded as you were to integrate the material into their experience and be better off for it. Some (like me, because I was thin-skinned) won't and it will stress them out or traumatize them instead. Does that make them lesser human beings for not being capable of bettering themselves from seeing the unfiltered truth on their own?
For all the benefit of 4chan, and I do say there is some benefit only after having grown into an adult with better critical thinking skills and years of therapy, it self-selects for a certain type of poster capable of lurking enough, following the norms and having a thick skin. Not everyone will clear that bar and it's unreasonable to think that all young people will turn out like yourself having immersed themselves in it. Some could end up wasting a lot of time baited into petty arguments, or worse.
They are focusing on an American palette, which is averse to things like tofu, seitan, or tempeh as they are considered not masculine enough by a significant portion of the population. This is reinforced by both genders.
Tofu is so ridiculously OP in terms of nutrition, production costs, and culinary versatility. It's a shame society here in the US is so strongly stymied by the manipulative meat lobby.
Tofu uses about 50x less land, 5x water, and produces 15x less CO2 per gram of protein compared to beef. It's pretty remarkable by these metrics even compared to other plant foods. Tofu would certainly be understood as "OP" in any simulated game like civilization. We in the US are disadvantaged just for our intractable attachment to beef.
Plus, all the other nice things about it (high in fiber, doesn't incur the bodily damage associated with red meat and saturated fat, is complete protein, lasts for over a month in the fridge, can be produced shelf-table, etc.) And it's not like you have to choose one or the other.
Meat is subsidized in the US, so while tofu is usually cheap, it's not by as much as those numbers would suggest. (About 3x, for those just tracking protein. At my Costco, it's about $30 for 4lb of 85% ground beef or $7 for 4lb of tofu. That works out to $0.10 per gram protein for the beef, or $0.03 per gram of protein for the tofu.)
Tofu still compares favorably to chicken, it uses about 2x less water and produces about 3x less CO2 than chicken. Looking at my Costco, tofu is about the same price per gram protein as chicken.
I used common English words using simple grammatical structures in short paragraphs. My comment was short and easy to read. I articulated the nutritive qualities clearly and succinctly. Tofu compares favorably to beef and chicken in terms of nutrition as well. (And that's even if we're ignoring how commonly meats have added table and curing salts).
Further, we're discussing beef in this thread, and anyone who was reading this thread would have that context. You're implying that tofu to beef was intentionally done to disfavor the meat industry, which is either bad-faith rhetoric, or you are someone who is commenting without having the context that beef is discussed pretty centrally throughout this thread.
Your reply does not seem like good-faith participation from a human. You are clearly not even reading the comments you are replying to.
What do you mean by overstating? It has really good protein numbers. The protein itself has an evenly balanced amino acid profile (or in other words - a "complete" protein). It has a good amount of calcium, iron, and low fat. You can technically make it yourself and there's numerous ways of cooking and flavoring it.
There's no hope trying to sell "plant-based hamburger" with any name to toxic masculinity advocates who think soy feminizes you (even though seitan isn't soy). These guys are getting hospitalized from eating all-beef diets because chicken is "too feminine".
Back in Europe I had many good meat alternatives in grocery stores that were quite budget friendly as well. Like vegetarian 'Schnitzel', 'chicken', 'fish'. Here in NA, most of the meat alternatives are breaded, or high in fat and salt. It's disappointing.
The providing guidance and standards across disparate critical infrastructure settings and also provided training, hands on keyboard support, and a lot of other services. Most of that has been significantly reduced.
You can set dual authorization for resets, wipes, and deletes. Normally CISA would pipe in with this kind of guidance. Anyone know what they’re up to now?
The buzzword you’re looking for is authoritative parenting. It’s about setting boundaries from love instead of fear and demonstrating mutual respect. It’s a lot easier to get a kid to listen to screen limits when they see you as a loving and responsible person, and especially when you have fun things to do with them off of a screen, and a real relationship with them.
It doesn’t. People have been doing this without refrigeration for a long time. The above poster did not wash off the buttermilk at the end which would cause it to spoil.
When unrefrigerated, they used copious amounts of salt to keep butter from spoiling. So much so that you'd have to first wash the butter (wash the salt away) before using it.
It sounds like you were duped into thinking his Augustinian PR campaign showed any sense of humanity. This is not a good person- Zuck is a freak and a hypocrite and deserves all the worst treatment from all of us - including NOT using their products.
I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are filled with abusive freaks and their decision making reflects that.
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