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If voting could remove them it wouldn't be allowed.


This is a pithy description of a post-democratic political system. Its pithiness does not make it an accurate description of any given political system.


I didn't know "illegal showerheads" existed. I thought the Seinfeld episode was a joke.


Note that a restriction on commercial sales still does not make an item itself "illegal".

I'm not trying to ignore the frustrating activation energy of having to spec/get/install your own showerhead rather than automatically having a default you like. But it's clear that amount of market friction here is much less than say, the overt digital authoritarianism currently going on across the whole phone app/software market. And it's important to keep this perspective, lest memes about "illegal showerheads" morph into groupthink that supports different authoritarian movements.


Hard disagree.


You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.


Yes, because criminals and pedophiles care deeply about following laws. They would never even think of using a piece of software if it was illegal, right?


I can't believe how infrequently this point comes up, given how fundamental a flaw to the whole scheme this point out. So long as you're allowed to have a computer and run code on it, you can run programs that do your bidding. ChatControl cannot be effective, at least I can't imagine for longer than a few months until the first 2% of CSAM handlers are caught who didn't get the memo and spread the word to the remaining 8% who didn't get the memo, until we outlaw computers

It's mind-bending levels of absurdity. Surely nobody intends to (be able to) truly outlaw computers? That cat is out of the bag and people will build them or get their hands on them if they wish

The only possible outcome is that only honest citizens have their chats scanned and devices locked down. The latter has as side effect that Google, Apple, and Microsoft can do whatever the heck they want because open OSes are illegal now


In the end it's saying you can learn all the math you want except certain formulas. Just not those.

Good luck with that


You're welcome to run any algorithm you want with paper and pencil, but you might not be able to run them on your devices that are allowed to talk to cellular networks.

Communications that look encrypted can also be straightforwardly flagged and logged for a closer look, perhaps keeping a closer watch on any cleartext messages, metadata that invariably leaks, etc


An Android smartphone would have the same usability problems for geezers.


I don’t think anybody remembers this since that code never shipped in retail.


It didn't ship (in the final retail version) only after the tech press of the day exposed what Microsoft had done.


It did ship in the final retail version, in way. It was disabled, but the code was still there, and a flag was all that was needed to enable it.


This is a bit one-sided innit. It doesn’t include the explanation given by Meta, just their rejection of the claims.


They don't give an explanation, just say the the researchers' claims are wrong. Here is the quoted article:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce32w7we01eo


When you receive a request to your website (or any service), that request comes from an IP address. There are databases that can tell you what country an IP address is from. It's not perfect, but it works well enough 99.99% of the time. Then, if the country is blacklisted, you do not allow access.


So that could be defeated by a VPN?


Trivially which is why VPN's have boomed in the UK since this was brought in.

An entirely predictable result given how easy it is to install a VPN vs having to verify yourself constantly to sketchy third parties on every site that has adult content (note: adult meaning adult not pornography..a lot of non-porn adult stuff get caught in the net).


For now.

1. Driver's licenses are becoming a web standard soon. https://github.com/w3c-fedid/digital-credentials

Support was added just last week in Safari 26. https://digitalcredentials.dev

2. The UK is keeping a very close eye on VPNs. https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/could-vpn...


There is a reason that google and apple aren't screaming about these laws.

That pretty much is the reason - they want to become identify brokers for the entire online ecosystem and if it costs them under 18 users they don't really care, they aren't typically the ones with the money anyway.


Driver's licenses are becoming a web standard soon.

Could you elaborate on this? I for one would never elect to participate.


The search term you're looking for is "age verification laws".


I tried. Imgur managed to block from Amsterdam, France, Singapore and US. The only success I has was Russia.


Of course.


Makes it seem almost pointless.


Those bots would be really naive not to use curl-impersonate. I basically use it for any request I make even if I don’t expect to be blocked because why wouldn’t I.


There are plenty of naive bots. That is why tar pits work so great at trapping them in. And this TLS based detection looks just like offline/broken site to bots, it will be harder to spot unless you are trying to scrap only that one single site.


A lot of the bots are compromised servers (eg hacked Wordpress sites), with limited control over what the TLS fingerprints look like.


I heard about curl-impersonate yesterday when I was hitting a CF page. Did something else to completely bypass it, which has been successful, but should try this.


So since “big tech” told kids to code now they have to hire them and keep them in an office twiddling their thumbs?


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