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There is a restart action. You need to first add the Shut Down action, then you can change it to Restart.


Just tried it. Unfortunately, even when you choose "Run Immediately", it still asks for user input when the time comes ("Are you sure you want to restart this iPhone?")


I have had my phone set to reboot every day at sunrise and have had no issues with it prompting for input in weeks.


Thank you very much. I've wanted to have a weekly reboot of my phone for years now, and it drove me nuts that I couldn't create a shortcuts automation for it.


Nice! Just created an automation to restart daily at 4:00am. Hopefully it works without user input.


I'm so dumb. I didn't even click into the "Blank Actions" tile.


Actually some of the 13th and 14th gen Intel Core processors support ECC.


Intel has always had randomly supported ECC on desktop CPUs. Sometimes it was just a few low end SKUs, sometimes higher end SKUs. 14th gen it appears i9s and i7s do, didn't check i5s, but i3s did not.


People predicting the Canadian housing bubble would burst probably didn't think the government would resort to such absurdly high levels of immigration.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10386750/canada-41-million-popula...


I'm interested that you used the word "absurd" - how come? Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants - if it's paired with government policy that doesn't discourage growth...


First canada has one of the largest population growth rates in the world (very unusual for a G7 country)

Second, Canada had absolutely terrible business development investment. There is no capital to make use of the increase in population and as a result the GDP per capita is going negative every quarter.

Now that the quality of life in Canada is dropping, highly skilled Canadians are trying to get out as fast as they can making the Canadian market even less competitive.

I don't think this combination of variables has been present in previous population booms (post WW2). I think we are in new territory here being pushed aggressively by a few companies trying to find even cheaper labor than what was possible.


If Canada took in half the number of immigrants it does it would still have one of the largest rates in the world. We are massive outlier for how many we are taking in and all sorts of things aren't keeping up with the demand. The biggest two are home building rates and the health care sector but there are other problems as well.


Canada has 21% immigrants[1] - it is not an outlier compared to AU/NZ. Canada needs 1/2 again as many immigrants to match Australia which has 30% already. I'm in New Zealand with 27% foreign born.

Net migration per 1,000 people (2023) figures[2] are: Australia 6.4, Canada 5.4, New Zealand 4.8

So Australia's immigrant population is also growing 20% faster than Canadas. (albeit emmigrant numbers included so perhaps I'm oversimplifying - I'm not familiar with Oz - but New Zealand has significant outflows).

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_...


The relevant number is not so much how many people are born outside the country which can include 90 year olds who came to the country in WW2. But rather the YoY population growth from immigration, which is a more accurate measure of recent influx.

Canada welcomed 471,550 new permanent residents in 2023 and had an increase of roughly 550,000 temporary residents. That's a net influx of over 1M people for a country of over 40M. Most of Europe takes in about 1% of population in immigration not 2.5%. Australia targeted 195,000 permanent places and a total of 548,000 places across permanent and temporary programs. For a country of 26M that's 2.1% which is still extremely large but well below 2.5%.

Also even if we use your numbers, Canada mostly accelerated immigration in 2023 and 2024 but already by 2021 our immigration percentage was up to 23% according to our census so your numbers are badly out of date for measuring recent immigration. In terms of reaching 30% with a net influx of over 1M immigrants a year over those two years, Canada could be as high as 27% immigrant now. Which even if it is lower than the raw total in Australia I'm sure we can acknowledge is a very rapid change that puts major strain on services.


You are complaining about the first paragraph. The second and third paragraphs are about YoY growth rate.

I do try to write clearly, but I think you've replied thoughtlessly.


Your data source has Canada's net migration at 249,000 which is absurdly small compared to Canada's own data. Canada's own data has migration out of the country at 94,576 people but for the 249,000 number to make sense that number would have to be closer to 750,000. It's clear we are using very different sources to calculate the numbers. I'm 100% convinced your source has badly incorrect data for Canada.


Ahhh, sorry.

Yeah that sounds like a significant difference.

I know nothing about Canada's immigration issues, but I did listen to a conservative podcast[1] the other day and at 20:30 it mentioned the 2023 numbers for Canada were:

• 1.27M immigrants

• 471k settling

• 804k temporary residents

So unless our sources are careful how they measure immigration there's a lot of scope for misunderstanding.

No idea why your number is 550k and the podcast mentions 804k.

> I'm 100% convinced your source has badly incorrect data for Canada.

The 249,000 number is sourced from a file provided by the World Bank. It isn't obvious where the World Bank get their number from. Don't ask me!!! Yeah, it looks wrong, but I don't care enough about the topic to go into it further.

Either way from the foreign born population percentages it is very clear that Australia and New Zealand have been accepting lots of immigrants for years and Canada would need to have much larger immigration numbers to get close to catching up.

If you are interested in the effects of immigration on Canada, then keep an eye on Australia and New Zealand to see how it is affecting them.

> For a country of 26M that's 2.1% which is still extremely large but well below 2.5%.

You are comparing chickens to bandicoots. Either compare residents or compare totals including temporary. You are being epically misleading to compare between the two.

From your own numbers, resident immigrant growth is ~1% for Canada (471k/40M) and 2.1% for Australia... I would guess New Zealand is around the 2% mark. I have little idea about temp numbers, but they are not zero.

I've personally just been looking at having a student guest rent a room at my place for $250 per week - students don't create as much pressure on housing. Permanent immigrants definitely do.

You seem to me to be trying to misinform.

When people talk about the problems of immigration they are not generally talking about temporary students and temporary workers. Might as well as add tourists on too - they are a contentious issue where I live.

I mostly care about immigration numbers, but you are using temp numbers. Yeah, Canada's temp numbers are whacko and that is discussed in the podcast: the temp student numbers surely can't be sustainable for Canada in the long term.

[1] https://thehub.ca/2024-03-29/this-government-is-oblivious-th...


I think 804k is the number of new temporary residents and 550k is the number of net temporary residents. I think it's reasonable to care about the net change in population from immigration because people are going to strain services in mostly the same way whether they are temporary or permanent. I think many temporary residents do strain housing in similar ways though, Canada has seen a massive increase in demand that seems larger than the 1% number you cared about.

Also I think you're just willfully misinterpreting me at this point because the 2.1% number for Australia included temporary residents. The number for Australia based on only new permanent residents is 195,000/26M = 0.75%


I think the issue with this conversation is that you have been talking about temporary immigrants all along, but I did not realise that originally so I have been talking about permanent immigrants all along. Hopefully both of our comments make a lot more sense in that light.

Your first post used the word "immigrants" and talked about the home building rates and the health care sector. Most people don't expect temporary immigrants to have a large impact on health care costs. So I think my initial misunderstanding of you is sensible. I would guess most people mean permanent immigrants when using the word "immigrants" - however I don't know your background...

We also obviously need to be careful when using annualised numbers. For example plenty of the students that come to New Zealand come to learn English over say two months (as I have just been learning since I'm looking at renting a room out to a student or worker).

6 student visas for two months consecutively has the same yearly impact on resources as 1 permanent immigrant. Adding tourist visa numbers to immigrant numbers would be similarly misleading for the same reason. Perhaps we need numbers for a snapshot of all visitors? The information is available to our immigration departments - they know how many people are currently in the country at any point in time.

If the 550k number is a sample at a point of time during the student year then it can be compared as an annualised number - but I can't know the context of your number without knowing your source. If it is a number of VISAs then the number needs to be annualised to work out impact on resources.

I completely agree that temporary immigration has an impact on resources and residents.

I believe that temporary immigration is nowhere near the impact that permanent immigration has on resources - especially in the long term where retired immigrants DO massively affect the health system costs. Temporary immigrants are mostly healthy and sick ones should be covered by travel insurance?

The podcast mentions one long term impact for Canada: that temporary immigrants can have a baby and Canada gives the baby citizenship.

In New Zealand we have massive numbers of tourists over our summer which has a heavy impact on our resources (including housing due to AirBnB). But tourists do pay their way and don't have a long tail of costs (retirement etcetera).

If we wanted to compare temporary residents, then I can include tourists during the tourism season, and suddenly you will find that the numbers for New Zealand are ridiculously high! However I have no idea what it's like for Canada. Our tourism season has a heavy impact - but mostly on tourist locations - less so on our metro areas (although I see personally see the impact of cruise ships on the suburb of Lyttelton in Christchurch).

I recall the podcast seemed to say that your problem with temporary immigrants was a sudden change and that the numbers likely would revert to something more sensible.

I'm sure we can agree that all 3 countries have economic issues with immigration.

New Zealand has been making new houses especially in Auckland and Christchurch. I believe Canada has been falling behind there. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38430062

And most developed countries are fucked for demographics in the future: permanent immigration is a short term solution but I reckon we are just punting the problem to the future. As a middle aged guy I can see the problem slowly building and I have been doing what I can to prepare!

Since immigration can be a sensitive topic, I want to be clear that I like immigrants and I have close friends and family by marriage that were not born in New Zealand.

All the best. I am hoping to visit Canada in the next 5 years to go skiing. Thank you for the conversation - I comment on HN to learn and I have learnt a few things! Cheers


Temporary numbers are net not gross so if a tourist enters and leaves the country in a single year they count as 0 not 1.


Right so zero net tourists, therefore zero housing pressure? Nope, that's why people complain about AirBnB.

My point is that picking a number at a point in time doesn't say much about the housing pressure - as the zero net tourists example shows.

Without knowing more about the number of temporary immigrants throughout the year (e.g. total number in Canada per month), the number of temporary immigrants as a yearly value is not much use (just as net zero tourists is not much use). Kinda depends on how quickly the temporary immigrants roll over.

Interestingly enough NZ and Australia have sharply reduced the number of working visas. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/513642/immigration-chan...

Also, I noticed an article implying that Canada is much more successful at getting wealthy immigrants:

  Immigration lawyers [in NZ] are worried by a dramatic drop in the number of millionaires receiving so-called golden visas. "If you have investors looking at options they're going to go for an easier option, they're going to go for Canada", he said.


> ...if it's paired with government policy that doesn't discourage growth...

Well, exactly. Bringing in large amounts of immigration to support an economy that that largely revolves around property transactions will contribute to an increase in property prices but will drag down GDP per capita and drive up infrastructure costs. This is NZ.


> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants

Ummm citations needed urgently. I would point out, immigration policy vs anyone without a passport is welcome are two complete scenarios that the only thing in common is that outsiders are coming in.

Unchecked immigration policy as a good thing is a myth. People from clashing cultures dont mix naturally. Only results are natural ghetos and cultural clashes.

Allowing undocumented people in without any due diligence, only advertises that undesirables from other countries can escape, or being dumped by more crafty foreign leaders.

The immigration as a positive is strictly related to being the cause for brain-drain effect. You want intelligent hardworking people in, not just anyone.

Also its better if people you are attracting are of similar heritage with similar values and culture. As those people assimilate to host cultures within a generation or two.

The european countries don't really have distinctive minorities from their neighbors. The inter-eu immigrants withing generation or two basically become a host country citizens.

I would point to Sweden and their current problems, also to the change of mind of the pro-unchecked immigration politicians. Who now are openly and publicly stating they were wrong.


> I would point to Sweden and their current problems, also to the change of mind of the pro-unchecked immigration politicians. Who now are openly and publicly stating they were wrong.

Context for others: Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement <https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/...> for obtaining citizenship.

In completely unrelated news, Arabic is now the second most spoken language in Sweden <https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_po...>.


> Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement for obtaining citizenship.

Neither does the US. Like the US, it has a requirement of having lived in the country with residency for 5 years. In the US those 5 years are after getting a Green Card (permanent residency), not after getting the original dual intent visa that allowed for the Green Card.

The Swedish residence requirements seem par for the course[1], if more straightforward than for the US.

[1]: https://visaguide.world/europe/sweden-visa/residence-permit/


> The european countries don't really have distinctive minorities from their neighbors

Well… I wonder how that happened since it certainly wasn’t the case until the period between the mid/late 19th century and the 1940. I guess we’ll never know.


"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


It is 2024 now. Why should we live by the standards of some poem in 1883?

If we want society to continue updating its morals, why not update the morals about immigration as well?


The argument is that the immigration rate has nearly doubled compared to the baseline (https://www.statista.com/statistics/443063/number-of-immigra...) and that the country isn’t set up to absorb such a higher number of immigrants, not that immigration is bad as such


To things in perspective, Canada has roughly the same number of immigrant and foreign student as the US but they are 1/10 the population.

And regarding the house prices... last year they built around 200k new homes (all types, including condos) for >1M new Canadians.


because the rapid growth has put so much pressure on house/rent prices, healthcare availability, general inflation on prices etc that overall the standard of living is falling for everyone.


Poor immigrants now == booming growth over the medium term. Rich immigrants just spend the locals out of their homes. The west is importing the wrong type of migrants.


In canada's case. This was not the thing at all.

It became a trend in china's rich circles to invest in canadian housing market as way to hide money from ccp and to flex your wealth.

Chinese new money are prone to trends, and at scale it can have terrible results for city like Vancouver - quick google - "Chinese homebuyers accounted for nearly one-third of Vancouver's real estate market during 2015"


> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants

That might be mixing up cause and effect…


> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants

Are immigrants fungible?


> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants - if it's paired with government policy that doesn't discourage growth...

Define "success?" Mass immigration to America from continental Europe eventually culminated in the 20th century in the dismantling of the American constitution and the republic the founders created. The resulting country is also completely ungovernable.

Generations of cheap immigrant labor ultimately created a materially rich society (for some people), but whether it has been a "success" is quite debatable.


> The resulting country is also completely ungovernable.

Another way to look at it: By any reasonable measure — and for all its indisputable problems — the U.S. is clearly the most successful large, multi-ethnic society in all of human history. Sure, it's always a work in progress. But let's consider the movie, not just the freeze-frame.

When people can vote with their feet, it says something that net migration to the U.S. seems to dwarf that to, say, China [1] or India [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_China

[2] https://www.indiaspend.com/governance/millions-of-indians-se...


The US already had the highest standard of living in the world at the time of independence, before it became a multi-ethnic society. The country de Tocqueville wrote about was an overwhelmingly British country. The subsequent trajectory of the US has been one of chipping away at that foundation. The accommodation of vast numbers of immigrants from societies that had no tradition of self government, and little in the way of unifying cultural traditions, created a top-down society that can scarcely be called America.

Looking at migrants is a misleading indicator of preference, because the choice to emigrate is an aberrational one. Just 7-8% of people in south or east Asia would emigrate if they had the choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-mi....


> The accommodation of vast numbers of immigrants

Let's not forget that (European) immigrants were mostly wanted, so as to provide needed workers. Even the Chinese immigrants of the 19th century were wanted to help build railroads and the like. Racist anti-immigrant factions such as the Know-Nothings and the KKK never really gained the power needed even to try to stop immigration (with the notable exception of the Asian exclusion acts in the late-19th and early-20th centuries).

Scores of millions of Americans, including your servant, are descended from those European and Asian immigrants. Again, the "movie" is that over generations, those people became fully assimilated into American society and values.

As for "accommodating" the immigrants, that brings to mind Heinlein's dictum: Never argue with the weather. It's questionable whether the "British" America of, say, 1787, or even 1868, could have effectively prevented immigration.

We also shouldn't lose sight of the millions of involuntary "immigrants" who were brought here in chains from Africa.


> Let's not forget that (European) immigrants were mostly wanted, so as to provide needed workers.

Sure. I’m talking about the long-term effects of that deliberate policy choice.

> Again, the "movie" is that over generations, those people became fully assimilated into American society and values.

Quite a bit of evidence shows that core cultural values, such as levels of social trust and attitudes towards the nature of government, are durable across generations: https://cis.org/Richwine/Still-More-Evidence-Cultural-Persis.... Scandinavian Americans, German Americans, and Italian Americans to this day exhibit differing levels of social trust that mirrors those of their cousins back in Europe. The waves of immigrants didn’t “fully assimilate” into American society, they changed it into something entirely different.

An overlooked aspect of Donald Trump—who is barely a third generation American—is that he was the last nail in the coffin of British America. British American culture is no longer prevalent enough to sustain even one political party. The Trump GOP has dropped the distinctly British American idea of limited government and replaced it with a cult of personality that can appeal to immigrant Germans, Italians, and increasingly Latin Americans. If Trump acts like a Latin American dictator it’s because that’s what it takes to get all those people from disparate cultural backgrounds into a coalition that can get close to 50%.

People notice this shift, but because we have this mistaken notion that “white people” are a single group, we overlook what it means. It gets framed as the “death of the Reagan GOP.” It is, but more accurately it’s the death of the British American GOP.


> core cultural values, such as levels of social trust and attitudes towards the nature of government, are durable across generations

Interesting. Does that take into account the mixing of cultures as the generations go by? My own immigrant ancestors came to this country in the 19th- and early-20th centuries — from four different countries in northern- and southern Europe; two different religions; and arguably three distinct subcultures. My own kids have three more countries stirred into the mix from my wife's side — and her outlook and attitudes have influenced mine in the decades we've been together. Then there's the influence of the different places I've lived and worked. I can't imagine I'm unique.

> more accurately it’s the death of the British American GOP.

Which "British America[]"? The New Englanders like the Puritans, and later the Adamses? The mid-Atlantic Quakers? The Virginians? The Cavalier enslavers who came from their Carribean sugar plantations to grow cotton? Very different subcultures. (And if you want to talk about "top-down," consider the southern American subcultures.)

And which British American GOP — the now-extinct liberal northeasterners and -Midwesterners? The hard-core racist Southerners who were right-wing "Democrats" until the Nixon-Reagan-Atwater "Southern strategy" coaxed them to the GOP? The California Reaganites of Proposition 13?

> If Trump acts like a Latin American dictator it’s because that’s what it takes to get all those people from disparate cultural backgrounds into a coalition that can get close to 50%.

My guess is that Trump appeals to a certain fearful, hero-worshipping, authoritarian mindset that's widely distributed among the human population, and whose adherents have far greater ability to communicate and organize than ever before. We see that mindset today in the followers of Putin, Orbán, Kim, Maduro, etc., as well as those of Trump. (For that matter, the fascist Oswald Mosley was a Brit.)


> Interesting. Does that take into account the mixing of cultures as the generations go by?

It’s using GSS data, which doesn’t identify ancestry in that level of granularity. But I suspect mixing changes the host culture significantly. My wife is of almost completely British American descent. I’m of completely Bangladeshi descent. But because in my culture married couples assimilate into the husband’s family, the kids are being raised with a strong dose of Bangladeshi traditionalism.

> Which "British America[]"? The New Englanders like the Puritans, and later the Adamses? The mid-Atlantic Quakers? The Virginians? The Cavalier enslavers who came from their Carribean sugar plantations to grow cotton? Very different subcultures.

The British America that was the confluence of those British sub-cultures—the things they agreed on and their distinctive conflicts. In particular, participatory self-government reflecting both Puritan small towns and Jeffersonian agrarianism has been supplanted by mass government.

The widespread American attitudes towards government is now similar to those in Bangladesh, which was shaped by half a millennium of Mughal and then British rule. The government is the administrator of a fractious and foreign population. “Democracy” is reduced to merely “voting.”

> My guess is that Trump appeals to a certain fearful, hero-worshipping, authoritarian mindset that's widely distributed among the human population, and whose adherents have far greater ability to communicate and organize than ever before.

That’s close to the same point that I’m making. Every society has conservatives and liberals—these are rooted in psychological traits. Specific conservative or liberal ideologies, however, are rooted in culture. When you change the country’s cultural mix, you change what kinds of political ideologies you need to carry a viable coalition. And when you fragment the culture, politics becomes much more about unifying around things that speak to gut-level reactions across cultures.

The small-government conservatism that would be popular in Rhode Island can’t win Florida. You need to cobble together a coalition of Mexicans in Arizona, Scots-Irish in West Virginia, Cubans and Puerto Ricans in Florida, Germans in Ohio, etc. And Trump is the manifestation of that.


> But because in my culture married couples assimilate into the husband’s family, the kids are being raised with a strong dose of Bangladeshi traditionalism.

But your kids aren't watching Bangladeshi TV, are they? And I'm guessing they don't run around with mostly-Bangladeshi friends.

You might be surprised how your kids are being influenced by your wife — and her family. I've read over the years that culture is transmitted primarily by the mother; that certainly fits what I've observed casually.

And let's not forget that at some point most kids tend to rebel — especially against authoritarian fathers (and then maybe later revert to what they remember from childhood).

> In particular, participatory self-government reflecting both Puritan small towns and Jeffersonian agrarianism has been supplanted by mass government.

Alexander Hamilton and his fellow Federalists would like a word. Jeffersonian thinking was certainly present at the Founding but was by no means dominant.


> Looking at migrants is a misleading indicator of preference, because the choice to emigrate is an aberrational one.

Sure, most people don't emigrate. That doesn't mean it's misleading that the U.S. is the migration destination of choice.


> created a top-down society that can scarcely be called America.

Really? The U.S. is notably less top-down than many other places that either of us could name. And nostalgia for an imagined bygone "British" past is unproductive.


The immigration “issue” is actually because ain’t nobody having kids, and capitalism demands constant growth.


"Advancement" implies improvement. Just because things are changing does not mean they are improving.


Yeah, it's a misguided and naive way of thinking. Deciding whether a technological development is good (and for whom, and to what extent, and with what trade-offs, and on what time horizons) is a really difficult task. So some folks will replace it with a much easier question: "Is this new?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute_substitution


> Karen Walsh, the president of the UW Board of Regents, said she was “alarmed” and “disgusted” by Gow’s actions, which were, she stated, “wholly and undeniably inconsistent with his role as chancellor.” But Gow’s actions were neither consistent nor inconsistent with being chancellor. Strictly, his actions were outside the scope of that role. Or they could be considered so, if most Americans simply chose to see the situation that way.

People's actions outside of work are still an indication of who they are as a person, and being an effective leader generally requires that your subordinates have some level of respect for you. As the article itself admits, the majority (58%) of Americans consider porn to be immoral. Most people aren't going to have much respect for someone who engages in behavior they view as immoral, particularly if the individual has a long history of such behavior (as is the case here).

The leader of an organization is also viewed by people as a representative of the organization's values. If people view the leader of an organization as immoral, it will deter them from engaging with that organization.


How much of that 58% abstains from porn?


People don’t really care about the morality of the organization head if the org is able to stand on its own. There’s been no shortage of known scumbags helming popular companies even in recent times to seemingly little effect.


This brings to mind a pending bill in California where they are trying to amend the state constitution to allow the state to discriminate based on race, sex, etc. as long as it is "research-based" or "research-informed". In practice, I imagine it would enable the state to cherry-pick or even solicit research that would allow them to discriminate in the way that they want.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.x...


The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

-- Douglas Adams


It's more of an amusing fact, given the topic of the article.


Ahhh okay, I can't believe I missed the irony of this post


They could still report breaking news and unverified claims, but they should at least do so in a slightly more responsible way, e.g. by limiting the headline to only what is actually verified at that time. If they want to include unverified claims in the body of the article, at least there they have more space to make it more explicitly clear what is and is not verified.


That's literally what New York Times did though.

Nate is complaining about the headlines in the Breaking News section not some article.


I am reminded of this video of a young woman showing a "day in the life" of a LinkedIn employee

https://youtu.be/X5TZVhKDwpk


This person is incentivized to show off how glamourous and laid back it is rather than the actual work they are doing in the 8 hours around this 2 minute video, so I'm not sure why you'd be reminded of it.


What’s the incentive to show how laid back they are? I imagine a significant population of tech workers would want to show off how much they work.


It's stunting/showing that you made it.

Watch shows that are popular in my age demographic (eg. Succession) and the flashiness is the takeaway for most people about high paying "elite" jobs (and ignoring the toxicity and horrible WLB these jobs often have).

I've met many younger friends and mentees who have this idealized image of IB/PE/PM/VC/BigTech SWE/Consulting because the perks seem dope and it sounds "sexy".

No one wants to message that in reality, high paying jobs have high responsibility, ownership, and politics - it's my head on the chopping board if my product/divison's P&L sucks.

Also, a lot of these TikToks and Reels have some backing from HR/Recruiting. My sibling has done something similar on their own IG after getting the go-ahead from HR and Recruiting.


The audience on TikTok is not just tech workers.


Free/cheap food, enough meeting rooms, and a place to walk.

You don't need a giant amount of amenities and every company I've worked at hasn't had enough meeting rooms.

If I'm adding to my wish list it's a shower so you can bike to work and rinse off. It's the daily conveniences rather than the crazy atypically perks I never use that I value.


I've seen other similar videos made in identical style. I think it was a viral trend. The objective being to enrage people with smug workplace laziness culture, and get plenty of views as a result.


I never understood how much of these videos was parody.


Approx 0.00%


There were a lot of videos in this style from the twitter people. Turns out they run fine on 20 % remaining workforce.


Surely this is because Elon is there picking up the slack for the missing 80%.


Or, you know, the people dealing with the advertisers ("partners") are gone and no money is coming in. But sure the servers are still running ;)


no idea why you need a dedicated person for dealing with the advertisers. it seemed to be just pressure from adl to scare the advertisers away, or otherwise adl will generate controversy

a very slimy and backwards model


Without internal Twitter context, but having seen companies with marketing teams... there's a lot of people involved in doing close work with partners, whether advertisement ones or others. On the tech side it's kind of like AWS support - sure, everyone had access to the support portal, but once you start spending $$$, you'll get dedicated people sitting in your company's slack channel, providing support, advice and planning if you need it. (Sure, it doesn't always work great, but the idea holds) I'm sure that whoever was the big ad spender with Twitter has a dedicated contact reachable more directly. (And possibly negotiating better deals than advertised to everyone)


> a very slimy and backwards model

perhaps it is, but that's the business a lot of big tech is in. ads drive everything. google is an advertising company with a lot of data mining on the front-end.

if your ad game and monitization isn't tight then you don't have a company, you have a public service, and one that will gas out pretty quickly.


because advertising and marketing are still very much industries where your "face card" matters and where companies will spend millions of dollars elsewhere if Chet from Advertising gets laid off.


Underrated.


"the missing 80%" you mean the ones that would go from the salad bar to the yoga class and then go into a DEI meeting and talking about how we must change "the color of our vibes"?

Yeah I think Elon is almost picking up that slack. But I doubt anyone could find him at an yoga class


You’ve made up a guy and are mad about it but go off


There was probably a lot of slack at twitter, but as an outsider it's incredibly hard to correctly identify who is the slack and who is doing real work (and a lot of people are somewhat in-between) in such a short amount of time. Musk took a massive risk and I'm sure a lot of the collateral damage were people doing genuine work.

Keep in mind a lot of the slacker are really good at pretending to do real work and they've had a long time to hone their skills.


That's any company. Twitter is not special.

The gp I think is talking about rage bait videos on social media where people used to post how work was so easy at xyz company. We should know better than rely on rage bait for information. Ask your friends who worked there if they knew anyone slacking off.


with that i agree, the video was just a funny video and not meant to be taken as a documentary.


I mean, they're making a lot less money, so I dunno. It's easy to run a company with a skeleton crew if you run it at a loss. it's the cost efficiency that makes it harder.


Half the revenue and being fined for failing to prevent child sexual abuse is fine?


Pareto principle in full effect


This is absolultey insane.


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