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Yeah, I suspect the closer you are to the optimal voice/movement the better the effect is.


THey don't need a majority. They'd use it as negotiating leverage, ie, I'll vote this way if you vote that way.

What's interesting though is that Germany is an industrial powerhouse compared to the US.


"What's interesting though is that Germany is an industrial powerhouse compared to the US."

There are two reasons for that.

1. The US has the stuff she develops produced abroad (IT, Computer, Phones etc.), mainly due to tax reasons (Produce in China, sell to Hongkong, sell to the US, major mark up in HK is done tax free).

2. German companies don't not pay their engineers. You can make more as a dog walker in the US or an English teacher in China than as many engineers in Germany.


> What's interesting though is that Germany is an industrial powerhouse compared to the US.

The DAX is up 37% since 2015, the S&P500 is up 74%. (That's as far back as DAX goes on Yahoo finance.)


He said industrial powerhouse, not financial powerhouse.


It's not the banking industry that is driving the stock market in the US.


Based on P/E ratios, it's not the economy either.


Yeah, peaceful economics far outweigh military. Military cant hire talent because talent can make more money building products for the world. It's a nice trend. Trump's anti-trade is screwing that up though.


They're both in the wrong. Epic for screwing it up and rushing rather than investing in security, and Google for trying to score PR points at the expense of their users. Google is being anti-secure here by not allowing the update to filter through the ecosystem.


> Google for trying to score PR points at the expense of their users.

Except this is how Google has always handled these bugs. The article even links to other examples involving other companies.

> Google is being anti-secure here by not allowing the update to filter through the ecosystem.

Or pro-secure here by telling users to urgently update rather than doing nothing and hoping nobody spots the bug and starts exploiting it before users get lucky.


Well, it's not that there is nothing being done. You're distributing the patch.

You don't have to go yelling about the fact you're distributing a highly important security patch, that only draws the attention of the bad guys.

Wanting to distribute such patches as low profile is a valid choice and is not "doing nothing and waiting to people to exploit it".


If you are a hacker it is not improbable that you are keeping tabs on updates for high profile software like Fortnight. In that case, doing things "low-profike" gives bad actors an edge.


Even if you keep tabs on it, would you inspect every single update that comes out or would you rather inspect the ones labelled "security updates"?

Low-profile means what it says on the tin; make it sound so boring that hackers are less likely to attempt it.

Plus being low profile reduces exposure to people who only look for high profile stuff.

And plus "not improbable" =!= "fact".


You mean google? You're right though, Google does a crap job auditing the playstore. It's ludicrous how they'll allow apps get access to everything on the phone without any kind of serious warning to the user.

My kids install all sorts of crap. I've warned them that all their texts and photos will end up on the internet because of it. Not highly probable, but certainly possible. Makes for a useful double check they're not texting anything silly.


>> It's clear to me, with all the rogue apps and crap in the Play Store that Google is not investing enough in managing app store content. >> >> Fortnite won this battle but in my book Apple will win the war.

> You mean google?

He's saying that Apple, is doing a much better job of "managing app store content" than Google, and so ultimately it doesn't matter if Fortnite or Apple wins this battle: they're fighting over a mound of rubble while Apple builds a castle.


> they're fighting over a mound of rubble while Apple builds a castle

It doesn't matter. Apple doesn't win in the end.

In the other Apple vs mound of rubble fight (Windows), Apple lost.

Android is doing the same thing. Android 4.0 was Windows 3.1 (first Android version to be "modern", IMO), Android 5.0 was Windows 95 (better UX). Android now just needs Windows XP to be stable enough (I'd argue Android 8.0 was that) and Windows 7 to cover the security aspects (most likely wide spread adoption of new Android permissions). But the writing is kind of on the wall, outside the US Android has majority market share and it's only going up.


Would Apple's walled garden make more sense for more vulnerable users?


7 days seems awfully short and not in the interest of users.


Seven days after the patch, not after disclosure with Epic.

Epic patched it on August 17th, Google waited 7 more days (as it is their usual practice) and then they went public.

Issue tracker makes more sense than the article IMO: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/112630336

I guess that usually seven days is more than enough for everyone to update to the latest version available on the Play store, however downloading a giant .apk file within seven days is an inconvenience for most users, which is why Epic requested 90.


Also, Playstore checks for you in the background for updates even if you don't use the app in question, the Fortnite launcher doesn't.


Yeah, it's definitely possible. It's a biz model in the crypto currency world.


Venture capital wouldn't exist if this weren't the case. Hell, hacker news wouldn't exist if this weren't the case.


He's slowly re-inventing communism. Give him time.


That's capitalism, baby. He who controls the capital reaps the rewards.


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