Yes, this. After watching all the video angles, to have seemingly intelligent people come to some crazy conclusion means they are hopelessly mindfucked. It's really hard to understand how these groupthink spells work, but clearly they do. I think my perspective is so focused on facts that my mind is having trouble bending to the fact that MANY people do not critically think from first principles, about nearly everything. It's troubling to me, making me feel somewhat alienated to at least 40% of the human race.
Good lord. There's no helping you if you cannot see with your eyes, my friend. I'd have to be blind to not see this poor man trying to defend a woman, then tackled, beaten, disarmed, shot dead in the back and head with 10 bullets.
I've seen enough of these kinds of situations to know it's easy to trick people into seeing what you guide them to see. It's like lying with statistical charts, but more insidious.
Why is it so important to you that other people see what you see before any investigation is complete? Look at how courts handle video evidence to gain some perspective on why your thinking which seems to rely so heavily on video evidence alone is simply flawed.
Your eyes matter. Videos matter. It's just, they aren't the only things you should factor in. Why have ears, if sight alone is enough? Why have touch, if sight alone is enough?
What you are saying is, trust your eyes alone! Pay no attention to what you can touch or what people involved might have to say. That is the final and most essential command.
It goes both ways. With your eyes that you trust so much, hopefully you can see at least that.
Dude. My dude. Seven different angles. There's no mistaking what happened. You would trust the judgment of someone else when there's that much contrary evidence to what they are claiming? Do you not make your own judgments in your life?
7 different video angles or 7000 different video angles doesn't really change this. What will matter is the testimony of the people combined with the evidence that exists. They'll have to go over the full timeline of events with radio chatter, officer testimony, testimony of activists, make assessments of who are being the most credible and objective observers, look into these claims about a gun misfiring and so on.
There is no version of this where nobody made mistakes and mistakes don't mean someone should have to die, but laws exist for a reason and you don't know what each person was experiencing simply after watching a video.
Video evidence does not generally have infinite credibility in court, because it is often a limited perspective on the reality of what happened. The cameras can only catch sound waves and photons, but almost the majority of everything important that occurred is invisible. If the audio had much value, all the whistles ruined some of that. It may even turn out that the whistles contributed to this death, because it weakened officer communication. Maybe there could be a justification for involuntary manslaughter by people blowing whistles if they were blowing them precisely with intentions like that. I don't know.
We just don't know and claiming these videos show everything you will ever need to know is simply logically false.
Your response strains credulity and suggests complicity. If you tell me an investigation is necessary to prove he is a criminal, perhaps that makes sense. But here you are saying an investigation is needed to prove he should not have been murdered in cold blood. That's bloody nuts. Investigations matter, but there's a point where the burden of proof switches sides. In this case, there would need to be incontrovertible evidence that this man was secretly building a bomb, and even that does not justify execution on the street. Do you understand how this country works, or are you a foreigner? Perhaps where you live, one is not innocent until proven guilty. That might explain your inability to come to judgments, you believe the man murdered must prove he was not a terrorist.
I think you're confused. Someone died. They contributed to their own death with their actions as did many other factors. It was an unnecessary death that could have been avoided. The officers might have made mistakes as well.
You weren't in Alex's head. You weren't in the officer's head. All you know is what you think you know, but aren't even sure you can know it. That is what investigation is for.
You keep using words like murder despite there not being sufficient evidence for that.
Alex broke many federal laws, spit at officers, laid hands on them, attacked their vehicles and broke their tail lights while they were in the vehicles and so on.
I do not know what kind of person Alex was when he was being civil in his own life, but in his most public representation he has shown himself to be an unhinged criminal. Maybe he thought his criminal behavior was justified, but that is a separate matter. It also doesn't mean he deserved to die.
Acting that way though, makes it a lot easier to make the case that officers believed he was a credible threat to their lives in a court case. It doesn't even only have to be valid in court, it could have legitimately been true in that recorded moment that in all of the chaos and with this guy's crazy behavior, they really believed he might have had another weapon and would have used it.
Don't get manipulated into using words like complicit to try to divide the country.
Ahh, now it's clear. He was a boy scout and a choir boy and an ER nurse. A truly good person. But somehow he was an "unhinged criminal" trying to protect a woman. According to who? ICE? Kristi Noem? Liars and fascists, my friend. Take a look in the mirror and then read "Common Sense" to educate yourself about why this country was founded, and what it means to be an American, because you seem lost.
And you have it completely upside down. The federal government serves the people, the people do not serve the feds. If, while attempting to enforce federal law through ICE, the feds break the Bill of Rights, they are doing more harm than good. We can live with a few illegals. We cannot leave the house if we expect to be murdered in cold blood on the street by the federal government. The instigating event of the American Revolution was the Boston Massacre, where protesters were shot and killed by British soldiers. Sound familiar?
The people voted for mass deportation of the tens of millions of illegals that were let into the country and lawlessly given "sanctuary." The federal government is attempting to enforce the laws on the books, laws that were voted into statute by the democratically elected representatives of the people. No one is going to be murdered in cold blood on the street simply for leaving the house, but they could be if they brandish a weapon while seeking out officers and attempting to prevent them from enforcing the law.
So 2nd amendment yeah? I have a license to concealed carry in PA. You are saying I should be murdered in cold blood on the street? Again, this is PRECISELY what the bill of rights and our constitution is all about. Have you read Common Sense? Please try to get through it. It explains many things but chief among them is that the government exists only to ensure the maximum freedom of the people from fear. "Everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree and no one shall make them afraid". That is what America is all about. If someone comes into my city to evict violent illegals, yes, I voted for that, and would again. If someone comes in to my city to a) Evict legal immigrants of color, b) Take children away from parents c) Murder good citizens in cold blood, e) Punish political enemies, or f) attack, beat, and tear gas nonviolent protesters? Well as an actual American who believes in and understands the US Constitution, I will be right there, next to those protesters, and looking to abolish and defund whatever godless and ethic-free agency is purporting to carry out the will of the People.
Based on Trump’s current approval rating (42%) I think 1/3 of Americans are lunatics. These people are not going away and cannot be put down. America’s sundown is unstoppable.
They are lunatics by very basic standards. Like do not shot protesters in the face. Do not invade other countries that did nothing to you. Do not threaten other countries that did nothing to you. Do not break doors without a warrant from a judge. Do not support a pedophile covering up his crimes.
1/3 of Americans support these lunacies - hence they are lunatics. And unfortunately they are too many. So America's sundown is inevitable.
From a technical standpoint, of course they can be put down. Just like you can be put down for obviously being a thought terrorist, you just said they are lunatics and now you are a potential threat to them.
See how easy it is to make you an enemy of the state that needs to be neutralized before you can become trouble?
As soon as those 42% become the majority they will start to think about to put the opposition down. Because that is what lunatics do.
You and I talk things out, others ask you what kind of American you are with an ar-15 aimed at your chest. Guess who wins that argument? It’s not one of us two. It’s the guy throwing our bodies in a ditch.
American law enforcement is already executing people protesting the lunatic behavior in plain sight and the vice president said they have full immunity doing so. You are no longer allowed to talk about reality, there is only one reality now, that of the president and his inner circle.
Once the military is deployed via the insurrection act you have people who are trained killers with absolute immunity on the streets that can easily rally up the opposition, and there will be no concentration camps or body’s piling up.
Yes, a US soldier can decline any unlawful order but what is unlawful is decided by the man that according to your Supreme Court has unlimited power. They were trained to kill terrorists and you are a terrorist now. They get a raise and a medal, why would they decline the order to kill what the government deemed valid targets and Terrorists?
Trump also has it easier than the nazis.
We live in the 21st century, the Nazis had a major logistics problem. People physically had to look at Jewish people getting starved and transported like cattle to the concentration camps in trains. The holocaust is very well documented because it all happened in plain sight.
The US troops made German citizens walk through the camps after they freed what was left of the poor Jewish souls surviving the nazi atrocities. Please watch it.
those civilians all knew what happened there and you can see it in their faces. They did do shit about people who were born in Germany and had the same passport getting slaughtered in the millions.
What makes you think your peers are different if their life and those of everyone they love is under constant threat via government ai surveillance and the military roaming the streets, kicking in the doors of your neighbors and friends and they never reappear?
and Russia shows how easy it is to let people disappear in those to hide casualties from the press and people at home.
You also got a pretty bunch of those containerized incinerators in every major US city after Covid bodies were piling up in hospitals and had to be disposed efficiently and out of sight from the press. You already have the holocaust infrastructure in place.
It doesn’t need to go in this direction, but seriously do you think this is an unrealistic scenario with everything you see happening in the US day by day?
Guess we will find out sooner than later. I really hope I’m wrong with everything, but be sure if push comes to shove, we Germans will return the favor and free the US from the fascists this time.
Keep your heads down and your spirit up, trump will pass one or the other way and hopefully we can go back to a saner version of shared reality than this nonsense we currently live in.
This is setting things up for a real conflict. Protesters, National Guard called by Walz, Troops coming in. I am absolutely certain the 1500 soldiers going in are hand-selected MAGA morons. Checkmate ... martial law declared!
In similar situations overseas the dictatorship's troops have sometimes been stopped by civilians blocking their path and putting flowers into their rifle barrels. It really depends on how far the dictatorship has managed to split the troops away from the civilians they're supposed to be protecting. The IRGC is an extreme example of that.
Though they've been seen and photographed in action locally, it's unclear how many are active, how many on standby, what plans are. So "deployed" is not that useful of a designation.
No, they don't. Ask any health official. We just had a high schooler die of meningitis 3 months ago, this kid was a star student, everybody loved him. 3 days later, DEAD. Why? Because his parents had "thought it best" to not give him the 2-shot meningitis vaccine. Vaccines are safe and proven. We in pharma, you know the actual people doing the medicine, spend billions to test them against giant cohorts to ensure safety and efficacy. Some rando on the internet feels they know better? Sit down please, you do not. Go get a medical degree ... you do not have the expertise to be credible on this, and neither does RFK.
I'm happy you have surgeons to consult. But surgery has nothing to do with pharmacology. That's like asking a cardiologist about your cancer. The specialization of therapeutic area, let alone profession, is intense.
We'll find out the hard way. I'm pretty public about our process so if my choices lead to adverse consequences I won't hide it: https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Pregnancy
This comment is not 100% open and shut correct. But it is the correct 95% starting point and only worth deviating from after a significant amount of diligent work. If one doesn't understand this, then one simply has not yet appreciated how much work it takes to form even a single informed opinion.
Also, wasn't revisiting the overall advice in the context of smaller ethnic and gender subgroups one of the things that many researchers were doing before the angry mob overran and burnt down our institutions?
I'm not sure that isn't the moderate position. Every one of them are certified criminals. They all need to stand trial. I pledge to do everything in my power to ensure that they do. So say we all.
See also the mind-boggling sign-on bonuses they get. They know ICE being the 8th most funded army in the world can't last forever. The left wasn't allowed to do a wealth transfer from rich to poor so instead the right did a massive wealth transfer from all of us to the most racist of us.
But the real issue here is his party. It's gone from 'economically conservative with preference for free markets, austerity, and military solutions' all the way over to 'Populist with slavish devotion to a fascist leader and a reactionary cause'. Romney now looks like a liberal compared to his party. We haven't had a party this bad since the know-nothings, federalists and the whigs, all of which self-destructed, and we haven't had a leader this bad since Andrew Johnson. It would be fun to think about what would have happened differently if we weren't on the brink of losing our democracy and/or being regressed back to 1890.
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