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Their service mailing address is public record that you can just look up. You do not need anyone to send it to you.


If you are in the US you can look up their official service address through the secretary of state for the state that you will be filing the lawsuit in. There is never a need for them to specifically provide you an official address.


And if you're filing a state case, and you know which county they are in, call the Sheriff. Every Sheriff's office deals with legal service on a routine basis. I've paid the Sheriff many times for serving complaints.


Joel Spolsky solved this over 25 years ago https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/26/designing-for-peop...


That solves nothing, just describes the problem.


Well I know where you stand regarding P = NP


I think this kind of belief system is relatively common with the kind of people who frequent HN but vanishingly small out in the rest of the world.


If the scraper is based (Or has meaningful assets) in the EU, then your chances are good. If they do not, then the lawsuit would be meaningless.


If they can perfect that feature, then users can be done away with once and for all.


You can make donations to a for-profit business. You just can't deduct it from your taxable income.


I don't have any input on direct user funding for Firefox, but Thunderbird is also developed by a for-profit entity and accepts direct user funding with no charitable tax deductions as well. [0] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/

[0] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/


Exactly, and to my knowledge the receiving party needs to pay profit tax on them. It's called a donation, but technically more of a pay-what-you-want model. Several businesses do that.


"Actually, Indians" is not meant as a joke.


And it's not rare at all. It is also not rare to see such efforts funded.


> However, some LinkedIn commenters seem to see very little wrong with Fireflies' dubious early business practices.

Seems to be a good example of today’s zeitgeist.

Many of the comments on this very post, seem to take the same position.

I’m not horrified about what they did. This kind of shysterism is pretty common, these days.

What does disturb me, though, is an “end justifies the means” acceptance of these practices.

In law (and law enforcement), they have a “fruit of the poisoned tree” doctrine, where starting something wrong, immediately nullifies everything after that, even if it solves the case.

Coming from a perspective of wanting a lot more ethics and integrity in technology, I think we might be well-served to consider something like this. I’m deeply disturbed by the blatant moral decay in tech. I keep flashing on Dr. Malcolm, taking about “could,” and “should.”


There is a very huge spectrum of answers for this, ranging from complete inability to picture literally anything to being able to visualize it with greater clarity than their actual eye-balls.


He said "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet, I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country", which is very very close to being indistinguishable from "inventing the internet"


> very very close to being indistinguishable from "inventing the internet"

For a native English speaker, no it isn't.

Also fwiw, if you weren't working in the field at that time, experiencing the process of connecting to the then Internet, I don't think you can comment on this authoritatively.


What is the difference between creating something and inventing it?


Your own quote you posted didn't say "I created the Internet". It said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet", which when coming from a politician is most reasonably interpreted as creating the conditions and policies (e.g. funding and regulatory framework) to make the Internet possible, which, according to the inventors of TCP/IP, he did.


If you invent a new kind of bagel, not much of a difference.

For something on the scale of the internet, political alignment is absolutely critical for its creation, regardless of who invented it.


I create a Local Area Network by connecting and configuring devices to a local router, as opposed to inventing Local Area Networking hardware equipment and respective protocols.


If you care to educate yourself (though you'll have to excuse my scepticism), the Wikipedia article has more details, and more context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_tech...

In particular, this sentence:

> Gore's actual words were widely reaffirmed by notable Internet pioneers, such as Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn, who stated, "No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President."

The citation for that links to this email from Vint Cerf, http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0009/m.... The joint letter from Cerf and Kahn start with this:

> Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

> No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.


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