It is indeed exciting (for you at least). The problem is for most people is not that AI is spewing out code and reading documentation while developer do more interesting things. It is that companies are handing over the job of those developers to AI itself.

So those ex-developers are free to do most interesting things in the world with little change of not relying on nice, steady paychecks every month.

> We're just going to eventually become economically irrelevant and die off.

As harsh it may sound, it seems rather likely to me. It is not like s/w engineers have helped struggling workers in other sectors other than sanctimonious "Learn to code" advice. So software folks can't expect any solidarity or help from others.

Agree. It is just like 2 totally separate groups are arguing.

One very tiny slice of speciality/ rare industries where code is critical but overall small part of project costs. I can see if code / software is 5% of overall cost even heavy use of AI for code part is not moving the needle. So people in this group can feel confident in their indispensability.

Second group is much larger and peddling CRUD / JS Frontends and other copy/paste junk. But as per industry classification they are just part of same Coder/Developer/IT Engineer group. And their bleak prospects is not some future scenario, it is playing out right now with tons of them getting laid off. And whole lot of people with IT degrees, certifications are not finding any jobs in this field.

After hearing various similarly sounding opinions about CRUD being easy for LLMs, I started tracking how well LLMs handle a standard CRUD Django app I'm familiar with at https://github.com/marcindulak/learning-api-styles-gen-ai-ex....

So far it appears that LLMs still require constant hand-holding, even for a small educational CRUD app.

What makes you feel that a complex frontend would be easier for AI than a non-CRUD backend system?

Hubris.

I don't mean this as a snarky jab. It's coming for anything software. I've used AI to accomplish front end development and reverse engineer proprietary USB hardware dongles in C, then rewriting the C into Rust to get easy desktop GUIs around it. Backend APIs, systems programming, embedded programming, they all seem equally threatened it's just a matter of time. Front end is easy to see in the AI web front ends but everything else is still easy pickings.

I 100% agree it's coming for everything. I'm just curious what the arguments would be for why frontend would be easier.

> I've used AI to accomplish front end development and reverse engineer proprietary USB hardware dongles in C, then rewriting the C into Rust to get easy desktop GUIs around it. Backend

That is not hard. It’s just tedious and very slow to do manually. The hard part would be about designing a usb dongle and ensuring that the associated software has good UX. The reason you don’t see kernel devs REing devices is not because it’s impossible or that it requires expert knowledge. It’s because it’s like counting sands on the beach.

It is irrelevant that complex frontend would be easy for AI or not. To me 1) how many unique complex frontends are needed out of total frontends that millions of sites out there need. 2) Will there be increase in need of such frontend engineers so other displaced folks can land a job there.

I think it will be far fewer to have any positive impact on IT engineers' overall job prospects.

But that's equally true for any type of system. Frontend isn't inherently easier than other systems, so i was just wondering why you singled it out. To me AI just seems better at backends and database design

OK, my examples seemed like biased against frontend which was not the intention.

The thrust was overall job prospects for people in software field. It is not that frontend is easy but it is definitely easy to get into. Considering there are far more frontend developers then say C++ system engineers or database designers so in sheer numbers they will be affect more.

Ah okay that's fair. In my country boot camps aren't a thing so frontend devs are rare and good frontend devs even more, so I think it depends on where in the world you are. We got an abundance of java devs here that i fear more for

Manufactured hype is just marketing. And companies losing money and looking to get listed very soon absolutely need it.

At this point one should just say Anthropic team. I can't think of a Bun team since Anthropic bought Bun.

Jared, the hacker is now replaced by Jared, the millionaire soon to be billionaire as Anthropic valuation keeps going up.

Now I totally understand the issue. I will set temperature 70K. Using SI unit of temperature is the best practice.

I see it all the time companies keeping people out of loyalty despite employee being grossly incompetent. But it would be hard of hear about it because what kind of news that'd be.

Hiring is event, firing is event. Not hiring or firing are not the event to cover.

> All the flaws I can think of in Kotlin are due to the Java compatibility.

All the use of Kotlin in industry are due to Java compatibility. Else there would be ~0% marketshare of Kotlin.

Mojo is NOT Python compatible (although they initially wanted it to be). So they got all downsides without the upsides.

They claim you can easily mix them so there is some degree of compatibility.

Every reasonable language has a Python interop story. All it takes is C FFI. But what Mojo promised early on was the eventuality of compiling a large amount of Python code if not entire wheels as Mojo.

I don't recall they promised that. They promised it'll be a superset, but Mojo introduces new keyword. Mojo could support all Python features today exactly as they're supported in Python and you wouldn't still be able to copy Python code into Mojo and compile it

"All downsides"? What do you mean?

There is unfortunately likely a lot of truth to this. I like Kotlin, but, anecdotally, I've only ever chosen it due to needing JVM

Nah, Costco is so crowded and such long checkout lines. No one buys anything there.

I have friends who have membership to Costco, Sam's and BJs. And when they need to buy stuff they go to nearest market from home (none of above 3). Despite working from home forever, they just don't have time to go to these warehouse stores.

My takeaway is at certain income level and lifestyle, one can have all memberships but don't find use of any.