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Absolute 0% of those lawyers jobs is to tell Apple to not pursue litigation. Do you understand what the point of litigation is for a company this size? They have over $100 billion in cash, even the most expensive lawyers salaries is a drop in the bucket. They can afford to drag a company like Protonmail through the mud for decades if they want to.


You work on _ads_ at Google, and are concerned about the ethics of working at Microsoft in the 90s? Sure, anti-competitive business practices might be unethical, but how can you possibly in good conscience suggest that bundling IE is more ethically problematic than building massive surveillance applications to sell ads? Just the implications of the data collection alone should be enough for you to quit your job before even considering any business angle.

Hope you enjoy the stock grants!


> Hope you enjoy the stock grants!

If I thought my work at Google was making the world worse I wouldn't do it; see this discussion a few months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21617291

For example, I'm currently exploring whether https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/blob/master/explainers/su... can increase the security and privacy of ad loading and rendering.

> bundling IE is more ethically problematic than...

I don't think bundling IE was at all the worst that Microsoft was doing in the 90s. Their efforts to kill the web, Java, and Linux, all threats to their strategy of a Windows monopoly, were much more of a problem.

> building massive surveillance applications to sell ads

Ads fund an enormous number of sites, and without them the web and information in general would be even more centralized.

If you oppose ad personalization and targeting, trying to convince individual adtech employees to quit is a terrible strategy. Instead you should advocate for legislation such as the GDPR and CCPA that set out what sorts of behavior are acceptable.


Profitable for whom? Tesla short sellers have lost close to $10 billion dollars in the few past months.


All the JVM languages you list aren't transpiled. They target JVM bytecode just like Java. They're first class, even if Java obviously gets the overwhelming amount of VM level support. Engineers working on the JVM are definitely aware of and want to support non-Java langs.


Scala can target JavaScript. Kotlin is usually used with the JVM, but can target native machine code (and JavaScript too I think?). Transpile was the wrong word for me to use.


Ah, I wasn't thinking of the JavaScript flavors. I think "hosted" is how Clojure describes itself.


I think the parent meant that all of those have things (like scala.js) that allow you to write in the JVM language and compile to Javascript.


I'll start caring more about this "silencing" once the NYT editorial board starts including viewpoints that are actually silenced in our society. Until then, it's just whining about no longer being free from criticism.


What viewpoints? Are we just supposed to guess, or automatically know which viewpoints you mean?


Communism division of work, central planning for college-level education?

Worker cooperative can be more efficient than traditional company in some sectors, did you ever read any piece on that?

I mean, the two time i went in the US, i was in really liberal and even socialist environment, and very few seems to even have heard of worker cooperative, so it would be surprising, but HN always surprise me positively, so why not.


This google search brings up several pieces from nytimes.com:

"worker cooperatives site:nytimes.com"


Bari Weiss has been a proponent of censorship and "cancel culture" since her time as a student. She's a hypocrite.


I agree she was a proponent but the cancel culture has finally come for her and she has figured it out, so she isn't wrong here. It will be interesting to see if anything changes later

The most important thing is how this affects your perception of the nyt

Edit hacker News wont let me post anymore right now but the question is if she is right here or not. She doesn't owe you anything just like you dont owe her anything.


Where's her mean culpa on Israel Palestine then? I see no evidence that she's changed.


Hard to find a bigger proponent of victim culture than Bari Weiss herself, though.


Bari Weiss is responsible for toxic culture in the first place. She's an absolute hypocrite here, so whatever conversation you want to have about speech, it probably shouldn't happen in this context.


Where is the cultural critique of Weiss coming from?

Is it this contribution, on the Joe Rogan podcast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3GM760a2s&feature=youtu.be - 11m, 2019 - Weiss talks about Tulsi Gabbard (?) as a sycophant. (YT person asserts dishonesty and hypocrisy.)


Empiricism? In my software development? No way.


I appreciate the humor but that's more time consuming than comparing instruction cycle counts and data dependencies. It's also workload dependent when it wouldn't be if they didn't come up with this throttling thing even if out of order execution makes it complicated.


Most programmers are not regularly writing primarily assembly or reviewing the assembly generated by their compiler. These are the scenarios where instruction cycle counts become relevant - everything else is abstracted too far to rely on anything other than profiling and testing. If that's you, then I'm sorry for my response which didn't really take you into account.


Read Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault.


Foucault's distinctly french and distinctly intellectual. The two are definitely touching the same elephant, and if you like Foucault you'll probably find something in Illich, but Illich appeals to a less intellectual and more American (religious?) audience that would turned off by -- or simply never get past the first page of -- Foucault.

Religious fundamentalist homeschoolers will read Illich and get something out of it, but would probably not have the patience/reading comprehension level to engage with Foucault. Or, if they did, would burn it.

So, both have their place.

That said, I wish Foucault had provided a more thorough treatment of schooling, though. I think his reaction to schooling was something like "yeah that's so transparently a factory floor look-alike and so transparently training compliant factory workers that I'm not even sure it's worth saying much else".


"intellectual" sounding but certainly not actually "intellectual".

Foucault's explanation for why leprosy disappeared from Europe is pure psudoscience, along with the entirety of psychoanalysis (which he accepted at least partially). I don't like scholars who take the likes of Lacan as being serious instead of charlatans

Foucault had some good ideas in works like Discipline and Punish or A history of Sexuality but filtering between the noise and signal is extremely tough with him...


While that’s a fair assessment, (even philosophers that idolized and refined Foucault’s methods (see Ian Hacking) point out his loose handling of historical fact) that’s not really why people read Foucault and to ignore the entire edifice of his thought because of such mistakes would be the very definition of missing the point.

In my opinion, it is not so much the concrete historical subjects of Focualt’s work that are valuable, but rather his approach at developing a mode of critique founded on historicity and his reminding us in a very general and strong sense that our present is determined by a complex of historical events that don’t actually fit into the neat and tidy bundled up narratives histories present (since this is usually the objective of writing history) but that things are far less coherent and far more like structural emergent phenomenon than they are the effects some historical will (a la Hegel) or the interests of “great men”. Not to mention he does what any great philosopher should do which is make us recognize the concepts we take for granted thanks to years of idioms and cliches being drilled into our heads are not so simple after all (his analysis of power). I think it is the task of every philosopher worth salt to de-hypostatize concepts.

This is why critiques that take issue with Foucault for “forgetting the subject” are taken more seriously and have more ground to stand on than any shallow dismissals on account of a few factual flubs.


> "intellectual" sounding but certainly not actually "intellectual"

Sure. I was sort of intending to use the word in a way that didn't even make a distinction between those two things; i.e., I was using "intellectual" to refer more to the writing's style and tone than its substance :)

"Intellectual" doesn't necessarily mean "scientific" or even "correct". Maybe "academic" would be a better word for what I'm trying to get at.


I assume your hate towards Lacan extends towards Slavoj Žižek as well?


Totally, and French intellectuals don't usually go over well with the average reader of HN. But, if anyone finds the discussion in this comment section resonates strongly with them, just reading about Foucault's ideas would be a good place to start. Why limit ourselves to school. :) This is fertile ground for thought and I'm glad to see discussion here.

> I wish Foucault had provided a more thorough treatment of schooling, though

Agreed. I think most schools were just broadly more authoritarian when he was writing. There's certainly more room to discuss the ways in which schooling has changed as we've shifted from the factory to service and knowledge economies.


> There's certainly more room to discuss the ways in which schooling has changed as we've shifted from the factory to service and knowledge economies

Exactly. You could literally write Discipline and Punish today, but with education. The body -> mind and everything.

Educate and Punish? ;)


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