oh, it's just a small project I created, and that I hope not too many people use as I prefer pure SQL queries... so hopefully this doesn't create a big confusion.
Also, they are for very different stuff.. and it's hard coming up with a small easy name that hasn't been used by anything else nowadays.
Have run into this multiple times with them in multiple companies.
For those asking, it's about the "VitualBox 6.1.32 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack" - it's free to install but phones home and they reach out after a year or two of use and attempt to coerce you into paying for a license. Just ensure everyone has uninstalled it and tell them to go pound sand.
What's wrong with configurable? Too much opportunity to bikeshed?
I figured yapf was not "new" which is why black won.
Starting about 5-6 years ago there was a push in the Python community to replace solved problems with new ones in what appears to me as chasing the JavaScript community.
Instead of consolidating on existing tools that worked well but had some rough edges to smooth out, numerous projects came about to reinvent the wheel.
There is no "best format". It's a matter of opinion.
Taste is something we cannot objectively agree, and in fact, people will end up arguing even about this very statement, offering what they think is an objective measure.
Bikesheding, yes. Hours lost in meeting, chat debates, documentation to write, linting configuration. To be redone for each project, team, etc. Worse even in FOSS where everybody will come in a ticket and complain. And after while, you do it again, because the debate is never settle even in the same team or project.
There is not way to take a team of 3 people, choose a style, and make it so that they are all 100% happy with it.
Black took the road of gofmt: you can't chose. And it won because of that: it saved people time and energy.
People realize the cost was not worth the satisfaction, which you are unlikely to get anyway. Let's just move on to what matters, it's good enough. Pareto.
> Bikesheding, yes. Hours lost in meeting, chat debates, documentation to write, linting configuration
Sounds like a team problem, I've been on plenty of teams that use clang-format for c/c++ and there have never been any issues like this. Team players know that (almost all) arguing over formatting is not a good use of time. (edit: in case not clear, clang-format is extremely configurable. Set a default config and live with it forever, that's how those teams work.)
> Black took the road of gofmt: you can't chose. And it won because of that: it saved people time and energy.
I don't see how this follows, if a team was dysfunctional enough to be wasting hours and hours of time before, I can't imagine why that wouldn't continue. It just shifts from "let's change this flag in yapf" to "let's switch to yapf because black looks ugly and gives us no options".
Well if it helps your team out then that's great, I just wouldn't expect that to generalize well. But who knows, people are weird, maybe more would give up fighting about style because of a tool change than I expect.
Yes, and also too hard to set up. It's extremely dumb, but I'm much more likely to use something I can't configure, because if I can configure it, I'm going to want to, and it'll take forever to make all those choices.
