It's really funny to me that with both the AI act and GDPR, you will see swathes of threads of people on HN bashing the law only to then later discover the purpose of this legislation from first principles.
The same could come to Europe (lowballing broke people), because you can just make employees give their consent by baking it into all employment contracts. Just like the working time directive opt-out (HR say "take it or leave it" to 99.9% of people).
It probably already happens where it's already acceptable to request financial checks such as the finance industry.
You could try, but that would most likely be illegal and also fought tooth and nail by unions, which aren't as neutered as American unions. In Europe, sympathy strikes aren't Verboten like in the US.
The problem is the party selling that data actually. The nurses would need to consent that whomever the data broker got that data from to share their data with the broker and for the broker to share that data with the nursing service.
I don't agree. Which laws? Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR.
A similar thing happened with the Working Time Directive - almost all contracts in my country make you agree to opt-out and that's been like that for over 15 years
That's not how European courts have been interpreting it. When they say "free consent" they do mean free as in beer, so a "consent or loose your job" provisions would almost certainly be thrown out.
Firstly, the WTD makes mandatory a number of things that cannot be opted out from. The only thing opt-outable is the maximum of 48 hours work per week on average, and it is left to member states to legislate how that opt-out works (should they choose to have the opt-out at all).
In the UK, to pick a specific example, it is a combination of some workers not being allowed a choice of opt-out (e.g. healthcare workers, self-employed, "gig workers"), some union workers derogating that right to their unions collective bargaining... but for every other worker, the 48 hours is the law. You cannot mandate it in a contract. You can't advertise a job where you set the hours and those hours are on average over 48 hours per week. It's not a valid job and you are immediately in breach of statutory law.
You'll have to look at member states cases, it's on them to define how the opt-out works.
One example: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61123e81e90e0... "In respect of the 48 hour week the claimant had not signed an opt out and as such if the claimant was working in excess of 48 hours average across
the week then her right was being infringed. It is not in dispute that this is a statutory right capable of protection."
>>You can't advertise a job where you set the hours and those hours are on average over 48 hours per week. It's not a valid job and you are immediately in breach of statutory law.
Every UK job I have ever seen has the opt out clause in the contract. And they always say "well you can just tell us and we'll remove it" but it's there by default, and they make it clear that they have 800 other applicants for every position so do you really want to risk it?
> the WTD makes mandatory a number of things that cannot be opted out from
Let's stop cherry picking. These CAN be altered by an employment contract:
> the 20-minute rest break for those who expect to work more than 6 hours in a day
> the daily rest of 11 hours in 24 hours
> the weekly rest of 24 hours in every 7 days or 48 hours in every 14 days
> the 17-week reference period for night work
> the average hours for night workers working with special hazards
> The reference period for working out the 48-hour average maximum working week can be changed from 17 weeks to 52 weeks
This is exactly my issue with these big EU directives and regulations. The EU gets massive press about the headline issue, and the nuance, opt-outs etc get swept under the rug
They CANNOT in a regular employment contract UNLESS it can be justified that the job specifically needs it. Even when employer is justified, the rest entitlement still exists and must be compensated for, and the employer requires appropriate justification if they cannot give that compensatory rest. And if they put themselves in this situation (where employees go beyond normal working time limits), they need to keep good records of time they did make their employees work, so they can confirm they haven't broken the law to the HSE when it comes knocking.
Yes, as I said, by putting it in the employment contract when applying for a job.
Honestly it's hilarious how some people view GDPR. They think CEOs lose sleep at night worrying about it, that they might go to jail for it, or have to pay 100M Euro fine for a breach of it. It's simply not the case.
The reality of EU directives and regulations are very different to how they are sold. Many people fall prey to the marketing
I'm not implying or stating no fines are issued, so linking that some fines are issued is not a rebuttal. Also note that site does not track payments made.
The big headline fines serve as a nice bit of PR for the EU
> It seems you did fall prey to the anti-GDPR marketing.
Nice retort but I have not. Being critical of EU regulations and not an EU sycophant is not falling prey to "anti-GDPR" marketing.
I'm actually generally pro EU; I'm just tired of people (especially non-Europeans) implying we have absolute privacy, zero privacy issues, total wins against corporations etc.
15 years back, I was subscribed to EU official blog which presents their side of tabloid headlines like "Overpaid French suits want to ban blue stickers on only freckled apples". Did they publish ones for AI Act and GDPR, especially as more countries elect manly commonsense billionaire sympathizers?
I haven’t really figured it out yet either. I think this protocol is pretty early in terms of support and tooling. They really seem to want you to connect locally and edit config files still.
Hopefully soon this stuff will get ironed out because yeah, auth is super important.
Only tangentially related but does anyone else here get very bothered when looking at the SQLAlchemy documentation? It seems so hard to find what kind of magic incantation you need to do in which order when trying to do a somewhat non-trivial query and I often just write the SQL I want and then tell chatGPT to rewrite it to SQLAlchemy operations but thats not really a sustainable solution.
Have you sat down and read the SQLAlchemy docs properly? It made a lot more sense to me once I'd set aside an hour or two to work through the Unified Tutorial.[0] I feel like these days people just want quick answers to do very specific things but that's a very inefficient way to learn something like SQLAlchemy.
If you know the SQL you want it's just a matter of writing it in SQLAlchemy's query language which is quite close to SQL. Should just be a matter of practice to become fluent in it. "Complex queries" usually turn up when you're doing something like rendering a table or report or something. You don't need the ORM for this kind of thing, just write a query.
An ORM is useful when you want to write domain logic to do read/write operations against domain entities and persist them back to a database. IMO people get hung up on ORMs and think if they're using one then they have to use it for everything then do the most horrible contortions that should have just been db queries. SQLAlchemy allows you to use the ORM judiciously.
> I feel like these days people just want quick answers to do very specific things but that's a very inefficient way to learn something like SQLAlchemy.
Good documentation should absolutely provide a usable reference to quickly look up common ways to solve common problems. Even the PHP docs got that right twenty years ago.
Also, I disagree: A library should be as self-evident and incrementally understandable as possible, not require reading a full tome and grow a grey beard before being accessible.
> "Complex queries" usually turn up when you're doing something like rendering a table or report or something. You don't need the ORM for this kind of thing, just write a query.
Or, when building generic filtering/sorting/pagination logic for a bog-standard CRUD app. Or to do full-text search. Or when doing lateral joins to minimize queries. Or to iterate over a huge table. There's lots of cases where I want the ergonomics and malleability of ORM query instances even when working with complex queries.
> I feel like these days people just want quick answers to do very specific things but that's a very inefficient way to learn something like SQLAlchemy.
In defense of OP, a particular frustration I have with SQLAlchemy is that I understand SQL just fine, but the ways in which I translate my SQL knowledge into SQLAlchemy incantations is often pretty obscure. I think I deserve "quick answers to do very specific things" because I already have the exact form of the SQL solution in my head. That it then takes 20 minutes of digging through docs or ChatGPT is annoying.
I think it would be a worthwhile exercise for yourself to find and replace every mention of AI in your post with blockchain or metaverse. Just because something is new doesn’t mean its useful and if you’re having to force knowledge workers to adopt something supposedly making them more productive then its probably a bad sign.
> If some bureau or department fails to spend all of its budget, has the president somehow committed some treason-adjacent crime, or is that just thriftiness?
Yes, he has. It is not the presidents power to judge whether the money he spent in defiance of congress is sufficient, it is congress that holds this power. If congress thinks they should spend less, they can settle this by changing the budget. What would you say if the next democratic president simply refused to spend a single dollar assigned to ICE to "be thrifty"?
Well, it’s unlikely to be “criminal” or “treason,” but it is unconstitutional. An aggrieved party can seek redress from the court to compel the executive to transfer the provisioned monies.
>What would you say if the next democratic president simply refused to spend a single dollar assigned to ICE to "be thrifty"?
I'd be thrilled. There's $6 billion that they spend on DEA every year that I'd be happy if it was just pocketed by Trump and spent on hookers or something. Normalize this, please.
The perverse incentives people will defend so that they can obey the letter (but not the spirit) of the law are downright bizarre. You're all getting everything you deserve, too bad I'm getting it with you.
Your cars touchscreen is not a marketplace. The M in DMA is for markets, which is what the regulation targets. Now if your car manufacturer sold the car and someone else sold the touchscreen then you could talk about this but as it stands its a false equivalence.
Apple has a market within iOS over which it can arbitrarily enforce anti-competitive rules, the EU regulates this type of behaviour.
Yes and no. He was at the same time very open to being "part of the world" beyond the church, but also very conservative in ethics. In the end the former prevailed also in terms of progressiveness, but it wasn't a given.
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