So much of this audience already knows the job
is to collect comprehensive analytics and never run the analyses on your product’s externalities.
to be obvious enough to downplay, it must be impossible to miss while looking the other way. To be impossible to miss, it must be inextricably linked to the profits.
It's even more egregious in this case because Meta's employees were turning a blind eye to child sexual exploitation that they knew fine well their work was enabling.
Maybe those fat bonuses and generous stock options wiped away the feelings of guilt, if these Silicon Valley sociopaths even felt any in the first place.
Almost every top comment is negative. This negativity about apple has existed since the 90s.
Apple has been the most profitable example of betting against the herd for the last 20 years. And possibly the easiest if you’re willing to look at the world plainly. I’m glad to see the herd hasn’t changed and I have plenty of gains left.
I DIYd this with permits and interconnect in the SF Bay Area. I’ve had no power bill for years now, and I have two hot tubs.
Panels and enphase on Craigslist are so cheap you don’t have to worry about it. Max out what you’re allowed with your main electrical panel size and you’ll never regret it. Don’t even consider doing less than the maximum. You will never meet anybody who believes they added enough solar after a year of ownership
It’s not a disguise. Think of it as time travel to 100 years ago. After you learn to fit in, the old part is alive and well in there still. You from both times in the same body and mind.
Values, the roots, are so different they bear different fruit. Learning the new fruit and reverse engineering its roots you become aware of what most never do. You are a fish that discovers water.
Scarcity and abundance are so different that unless you’ve experienced both you really will not understand.
Becoming a SWE changed all of this for me and I’ve noticed the culture, especially in FAANG is so wealthy.
I suspect a very large number of people are too smart to speak up, but also resentful of the forces that work to prevent actual nuanced dialogue. That's certainly the sentiment in my bubble.
As somebody who isn't fond of the idea of an ethnostate and sees atrocities coming from all of the actors here, I don't feel comfortable speaking up due to the lack of nuance in public forums.
I hear you. While reading your comment, I had the thought "'atrocities coming from all of the actors'? Are you saying they're equally bad?" Of course, that's not what you said and there are far better responses if one is concerned about debating the relative moral standings of Israel and Hamas. It was more of a kneejerk reaction, and I quickly dismissed that from rational consideration, but the fact that I thought it nonetheless (and, in a different world, just replied with that) is a bit unsettling. Especially when we can't be certain what's a truth or lie when it comes to coverage of this conflict, it's far too easy to lose sight of the nuance.
While I don't deny many of the atrocities that the Israeli government seems to be doing, it's only part of what's going on. I support Israel withdrawing from Gaza (aside from providing aid) and focusing on actual defense, but Hamas will still be active. There's also more work that has to be done in both Israel and Gaza. It's not just a one-and-done situation that's as simple as "hey Israel, stop doing the bad thing".
Yes there should be a more substantial ask and price to pay for committing a Holocaust, just as Nazi Germany was dismantled, we in tech should be demanding of a ceasefire AND the dismantling of the Holocausting state of Israel.
What would dismantling of Israel entail? I think Israel should be reformed to accept Palestinians and whatnot, but dismantling seems like a far stronger word.
This is my basic first draft proposal (nobody asked me, i know) for a dual-state solution as a fallback if a full single Palestinian state cannot be achieved (either case has 99% of the same suggestions from my perspective, Palestine from the river to the Sea with equal rights for all does not necessitate violence) :
If only the world in general could be more peaceable and not have separate states. Many of the elements could stand to be adopted in general. As it is, your plan mostly seems good, although I'm doubtful about how "anti-extremism" and "de-Zionification" classes would manifest in practice, and "single economy" seems really weird and chafing.
What is that supposed to mean? Many people want equal rights and justice for everyone. What I'm doubting is whether your particular ideas for achieving that are appropriate. Good intentions alone don't solve problems. Feel free to explain, or don't if you don't want to, but there's no point in being snarky about it.
I don't know what to tell you except fighting against something that is wrong but widespread and established cannot be comfortable.
There's nothing really new here. It was not comfortable to be a e.g. civil rights activist in the US during segregation, or a dissident in the eastern block. The question is, what is right and what is wrong. You either accept wrong out of comfort as many people did in the past or reject it.
That's not the point that GP is making. Rather, discussing these kinds of topics tends to produce a lot of low quality and emotionally charged discussion that makes it dubious whether one should've engaged in the first place.
> I suspect a very large number of people are too smart to speak up, but also resentful of the forces that work to prevent actual nuanced dialogue. That's certainly the sentiment in my bubble.
There is some of that, and a mainstream "which side are you on" attitude. I previously wrote that the US could sit this one out. Provide humanitarian aid only, provide no military aid, and try to pressure both sides into not killing each other in large numbers. Which is what most of the rest of the world is doing.[1]
I’m actually really glad to see that this is the first Israeli conflict where its actually easy to keep our jobs, its been awkward for decades in the US on this one topic.
The needle needed to move to show where that soft power has waned and where it really stands
To show that we never agreed about labeling everything antisemitism in an antiquated 20th century way, when everyone involved are semites
Every call for a statement was met with laughter, every kneejerk lobbing of the word antisemitism was met with more laughter. Every liberal Jewish American has to reconcile the perception we’ve all had of their of their pride and joy country their whole lives, and now has to consider being a Trump supporter after all that social justice work, c’mon that’s admittedly hilarious.
I get that most of this everyone with ties to this conflict feeling isolated and traumatized. Along with an algorithm fueled echo chamber where they only see the other side getting attention and empathy, no matter which side that is. These are problems for a therapist.
Regardless, that needle needed to move. I dont agree with how it did, Hamas was accurate in noticing that it would move.
For balance, Hamas is already on the sanctions list. Israeli leadership and military and settlers and financiers should be too. I dont think every comment needs every disclaimer.
Can you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. We have to ban accounts that keep doing this, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
The IDF actually can avoid the vast majority of civilian casualties - they are the ones choosing to drop a huge number of bombs. They can do their job of defending Israel by actually protecting the border, and go after Hamas in a much slower & more precise way.
> They can do their job of defending Israel by actually protecting the border
They can't. Hamas launched thousands of rockets on October 7th, and Israel has no way of stopping something like that again short of what they're doing now, a massive bombing campaign and land invasion to take out as much of Hamas' built-up stockpiles and war infrastructure as possible.
There is no workable defense here that doesn't require significant offense.
> They can't. Hamas launched thousands of rockets on October 7th, and Israel has no way of stopping something like that again
The Iron Dome stopped pretty much all the rockets
What didn’t stop Hamas on Oct 7th was Israel not paying attention to their own intelligence and the tips of neighboring countries, as well as an insanely slow response time
If they wanted to, they could definitely only defend themselves
They could also stop the illegal settlers and occupation in the West Bank (instead of using the IDF to support them)
And they could make an actual effort in working towards peace
But instead Israel has pretty much created this situation and has a president openly calling for the extermination of Palestinians (re: Amalek)
> The Iron Dome stopped pretty much all the rockets
The Iron Dome wasn't and isn't capable of stopping thousands of rockets. Also, each Iron Dome interceptor costs around $100k whereas each Hamas rocket costs only a few hundred dollars. It simply doesn't pencil out; Hamas can spend Israel down this way.
But the whole idea that Hamas can shoot rockets at Israeli civilian areas with impunity by the thousands whenever it wants, and all Israel is allowed to do is merely attempt to shoot down some of the rockets, is utterly absurd. It's a fantasy world. In the real world, if you wage war like that, you get struck back, and that's exactly what Israel is doing.
You don't seem to understand what war is, or how and why it is fought. What is currently going on is a WAR between Israel and Hamas, and it's absurd to expect one of the combatants to unilaterally disarm themselves while still under attack. That isn't how war works or how it has ever worked.
You said Israel can’t defend itself, it clearly can, even if it’s expensive to them
But instead, for whatever reasons, it’s choosing to attack
To me it’s clear the end goal of their attacks is not peace but rather domination and eviction
Also, this is not a war. This a genocidal massacre brought on by Israel on the Palestinians, and has been going on for decades all over that area. Gaza is just the main focus right now, but they are still slaughtering people in the West Bank
Israel has always chosen that path, and they probably feel it’s served them well, they’ve gained plenty of land. But they also kept the conflict alive, including Netanyahu and his party explicitly supporting Hamas to undermine peaceful Palestinian political movements
This reply just restates all the same falsehoods and doesn't actually address any point in my comment. You don't understand the limitations of Iron Dome, you don't understand the nature of defense (it means killing the people launching rockets at you, not merely shooting down some of the rockets in perpetuity while some get through and kill your civilians), and you don't understand the nature of war.
Let's try a really simple metaphor. I'm repeatedly shooting at you. I'm a shitty marksman, so many of my shots miss, and you're wearing body armor, so some of the shots that do hit you don't penetrate. But I'm going to keep shooting until you're dead. Are you going to just stand there and let me take shot after shot after shot until one connects with your flesh, or are you going to do something about it first? Oh, and you're holding a much better and more accurate gun than I am, and I'm unarmored. You can drop me with a single shot at any time.
> What didn’t stop Hamas on Oct 7th was Israel not paying attention to their own intelligence and the tips of neighboring countries, as well as an insanely slow response time.
Wait, you can't possibly be blaming October 7th partially on Israel's insanely slow response time, can you? What is that sentence even supposed to mean?
It's a ground invasion in which they tell civilians to evacuate beforehand. How much slower and more precise do you want them to get, given that Hamas is maybe 10% of the population (so their supporter base is clearly much larger) and there's no clear distinction between fighters and the rest deliberately? It's hard to imagine specifics.
Israel can't simply let them launch rockets forever. Iron Dome isn't 100% effective and more importantly there's a massive, orders of magnitude cost differential between attack and defense. Eventually Israel would run out of intercepter rockets (or the ability to afford them), and then Hamas can simply bomb Israel at will.
> And international law also prohibits human shields and launching rockets from hospitals but guess you missed that one.
No, I didn't.
But no one here was arguing that Hamas should get credit for doing more than is minimally necessary without actually providing any reason to believe that, whereas they have for Israel.
> Laws only get brought up when talking about Israel huh?
Only Israel's defenders on HN call for it to get a clap on the back for the unusual morality and restraint of its actions.
The vast majority civilians are getting killed & buried alive due to the aerial bombings where the IDF is trying to assassinate members of Hamas - they obviously don't give any warnings for such strikes.
And the current offensive isn't a response to the rockets, which have been fired for years, but to the Hamas ground invasion, which the IDF should have been prepared for 24/7 & could have completely defeated.
I certainly don't excuse Hamas - they are a despicable & evil terrorist organisation - and more evil than the IDF. This is quite obvious and uncontroversial though, so people often don't bother pointing this out.
If you launch a rocket from your kitchen on the 12th floor, I am allowed to defend myself, but not by flattening the entire building and killing a hundred innocent children, when you have probably gone to another building or tunnel.
There are many reporters in Gaza who are documenting the thousands of dead & injured children..
It's hard to argue Israel "cant avoid civilians" when 40% of Gaza's housing is rubble. Israel's airstrikes aren't "calculated" if they calculate everything as a legitimate target
By the end of the 16th century, the Ottoman Empire had the largest Jewish population in the world, as it provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of Western Europe by massacres and persecution.
Your frame of reference includes the last 70 years, but not the 1880 years prior starting from 70 CE?
It's an ugly trade-off military commanders have to consider. How many civilians aligned with the enemy you are willing to kill as collateral damage to avoid losing one of your own soldiers?
There are always many ways of reaching your military objectives. For example, you could launch an air strike or an infantry assault. Some are more effective than others. Some cause more collateral damage. And with some, you risk higher casualties.
How? The cartels want to make money through illegal means, they don't want to destroy America. The cartels studiously avoid killing Americans. When they do kill Americans, the leadership either kills the members who killed Americans or turns them in, e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gulf-cartel-apologizes-...
to be obvious enough to downplay, it must be impossible to miss while looking the other way. To be impossible to miss, it must be inextricably linked to the profits.