That statement can be made about fraud too. More people are hurt via fraud than violent crime because it can reach into generations of people. It can escalate to whole communities.
The only time whole communities are harm via violence is mainly during a war or ethnic cleansing.
Yes, obviously the statement can be made about fraud, because you already made it. I was pointing out that the effects of violence are not as simple as hurting one person as you said. Then you replied by repeating yourself. I am so tired of talking to people like you.
When health insurance companies withhold care and cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people, that certainly ripples out.
When profits of insurance are more important than people being able to get care, that directly leads to the situations that lead to violence. Poor, desperate people commit crimes, especially violent ones at a higher rate.
Why? It is perfectly possible to be a legal immigrant and a parasite. It's even possible to be a completely homegrown native and a parasite. Wouldn't you call essentially all career criminals parasites?
Look into dehumanizing language used by political leadership over history and where it tends to lead. Especially when paired with extremist, evil policies like remigration.
Explain why remigration is 'extremist' and 'evil' when applied to those who refuse to assimilate and/or integrate into their host societies, who never learned the language of those societies, who express disdain over those societies, who claim their own culture is superior and will prevail, who never became self-supporting but continue to depend on the state for their upkeep? Let alone those who commit crimes?
I'd say it is those people who are extremist, not the host societies who are fed up with hosting unwelcome guests.
Definitely a famous story that gets retold and almost mythologized in China. When I taught over there, several different middle school students independently told me about this story.
I had a friend working at a startup I interned at who had come over on a student visa, gotten a temporary visa to work, but then eventually was not able to keep it and ended up moving to Canada and working there. It's never made sense to me why we'd want to kick people out after they've received education here; if anything, it would make more sense to require them to work here for a bit after (although I'd also probably be opposed to that because I generally just don't like treating people as cogs in a working machine).
Immigration views tend to track who the immigrants seemingly threaten, so sites like HN tend to have the views about H1-Bs[0] that working-class people have about working-class immigrants (illegal or otherwise).
It'll be interesting to see if America can reverse this trend. Our ability to be a sink for global talent has been a massive boost to America's success. The funny thing is that there will be no substitute should America falter. The rising powers are not as immigrant friendly. There are as many foreigners in tiny Taiwan as in mighty China. What might well happen is that the particular combination of human agglomeration, relatively free markets, and a diverse society might just be lost and with it all the human productivity that came with it.
This is absolutely true. In college I remember going out with girls from various different countries. Made friends with tons of folks from all over the world.
I guess you might see a bit of that in London or a handful of other European countries, but nothing on the same scale.
But you could argue from a business point of view you can get everyone on a zoom call anyway.
If I can hire someone in Malaysia for 1/10th of an American, why wouldn't I do that.
> It's never made sense to me why we'd want to kick people out after they've received education here;
That was (probably) never anyone's intention, American representative democracy is just schizophrenic by design. For the same reason the US has never faithfully abided by any treaty, laws and policies rarely end up functioning as intended after the political process.
I don't disagree, although I've also found that I'm often surprised by what people actually think is reasonable policy, and immigration in particular seems to evoke opinions that seem absurd to me but are held by a large enough number of people that I have trouble fathoming.
Kind of a non-issue when we won't let them stay. I know several Chinese nationals who: received STEM degrees in the US, really wanted to stay, but struggled to get a visa and ended up back in China.
Spell out your argument more. Find some hard evidence. Even “major player” needs to be backed up.
Do you even know how many users Mullvad has in CN? I don’t. Searching says the whole company apparently has ~500k users. I don’t think that’s enough to be a significant presence in China.
The person you're replying to is ridiculous and ignorant. But also many of the creators you're talking about are paid by the Chinese government. If they're living in China on an ongoing basis creating content it's almost certain. Even if they're not paid, you have to be careful what you post if you're building a life in China.
That's not to say that they are completely wrong or lying. China is safer than the US in almost every way, for everyone. But racism manifests differently there. I was in the country through the entire Covid pandemic. Ask the African community in Guangzhou how they were treated.
> Even if they're not paid, you have to be careful what you post if you're building a life in China.
This is the case in most western countries now, especially if you post anything related to Palestine. Besides the US, the situation in France, Germany and the UK is quite concerning these days.
As an immigrant to the US I now have to fear being abducted on the street by ICE "officers" who present no identification and conceal their identities, being arbitrarily detailed and tortured at airports[1], being held incommunicado without due process, and being shipped off to CECOT for the rest of my life.
> That doesn't make what I said about China any less true.
Just in case we meet again in another comment thread, I wasn't suggesting this; I was hoping that quoting a specific part of your comment would communicate that I was replying directly to that part without questioning the veracity of the rest of your comment
