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A couple of times I've tried somewhat seriously to build "google docs for ableton" (meaning two people editing the same project on different computers, seeing each other's edits in realtime). Frustratingly I decided it was impossible to do a really good job of it back then. This sounds like it might finally make it doable!

In the past, I've literally done screen-sharing for this, one "instructor" and one "pilot", basically like how you do remote pair programming typically, but with Ableton instead.

Besides that, Ableton themselves list a bunch of tools I assume works on some level, as they're listed in the help pages of Ableton: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012680119-Best...


Ha yeah I have considered the same. There’s not enough info exposed via the Python or Max APIs (or indeed this one) to sync all the state you’d care about so I think the only option would be syncing the actual als files (which are zipped XML) which means you’d only be able to sync at save points

We should talk - I'm building a new DAW with this in mind :)

We should talk - I’m building a Claude Code plugin for music composition and analysis, which currently integrates with Ableton using MCP and Ableton control surface (basically LOM) and an M4L patch. But it could easily work with any DAW that has the right primitives.


Yeah, also https://github.com/ahujasid/ableton-mcp

But the MCP server isn’t the interesting part. It’s the round trip of composition and mixing. “Set up a calypso beat and baseline; add distortion to the bass; set up filters to protect the kick from the bass”


> It’s the round trip of composition and mixing.

That's a very personal thing. A lot of musicians are extremely, extremely resistant to using LLMs to assist with composition. Obviously, too, some are not.


For sure. I'm just making a circular saw because I see value. If someone else wants to stick to hand tools, no complaints.

Note that "assist with composition" covers a lot of ground. There's Suno, and there's "let's experiment with chords changes to get from F Phrygian to C major"


If you ever take another stab at it, would love to hear about it. me@hammyhavoc.com

check audiotool

Don't kick yourself. It's not possible with Google Docs either. All these collaborative document editors have been mostly gimmicks/wastes of time.

I use Nextcloud Office all the time with others. Prior to that, we used OneDrive/Office and Google Drive.

With tight deadlines, there frequently isn't the time to not be working concurrently on the same doc, especially when it comes to anything technical.


It's nice to see peoples' success stories with diagnoses. I've been suffering from something for more than 20 years now. I was healthy until 2005. Then it seemed like I got sick with some kind of virus and just... never got better. I have unpredictable good stretches and bad stretches. During my bad stretches I can't get out of bed. I've mostly given up on the idea of a diagnosis myself, after seeing dozens of doctors over the years, with the most positive interactions being Stanford researchers telling me I'm a really "interesting" case.

I've seen that happen with Lyme Disease, and with Mono. Autoimmune disorders are notoriously difficult to diagnose.

In the 1980s, AIDS was like that. All these healthy, young people, just started getting these diverse horrorshow problems, then died.


I'm in the same boat, have you tried seeing an integrative doctor? They can usually at least help extend the good periods.

My 15 year old is devouring them right now. She pauses dozens of times every day to tell me the best jokes. I love it.


"... though when it tried to animate it the bicycle bounced off into the top and the bicycle got warped."

Should be the pelican bounced off.


I read them as a teenager, and now my teenaged daughter has started reading them. They are every bit as good as I remember them being.


A complaint asking what this has to do with hackers or hacking.


A mildly annoyed reply quoting the Hacker News Guidelines to point out that:

> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups.


A reply complaining about other articles on Hacker News


A question I enjoy asking myself when I'm wondering about this stuff is "if there are alien mathematicians in a distant galaxy somewhere, do they know about this?"

For complex numbers my gut feeling is yes, they do.


This is precisely why I’ve always lived physics, as used to something like “geography or history”.

For the reason you just stated.


This is the approach I've settled on. My kids get a very small amount of actual youtube time each week. If they find a new channel they really like, they pitch it to me. If I think it's good enough, I download the whole thing with yt-dlp for them. It works pretty well for us.


Imagine buying a tennis racket and being interrupted, as you are playing, to be told to buy something else.

Sadly I've come to believe the pendulum is going to have to swing about this far before it might have a chance of swinging back.


It’s your brain working as intended.

As intended by whom?


Evolution.


It’s more like evolution just doesn’t give a shit about your cognitive abilities once you’ve reproduced…


Most people help their kids, and are pretty old once the kids have moved out, so it matters for most of your life.


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