I’m assuming this is and will be a classic example of the “First they came for….” Quote where it goes through the list of ‘others’ that is not oneself then, at the end when the authority finally shows up to take the ‘you’ in the ‘oneself’, no one is left to defend you and thus you also go down.
They will aim to eliminate tiktok as, everyone in the us higher ups agree it has to go, but who will be next afterwards? If in the future, Facebook doesn’t bend its knee to shovel out state propaganda, will it too go?
The very scary part of the bill, if true, is the outright banning of VPNs.
As a Finn, I’m not too worried about myself right now, but should USA fall into a complete Surveillance State with monitoring and it’s own version of China’s Social Credit system, it will have huge ramifications on EU and probably my country Finland.
As a Foreign Reader, it really pains me to read that there exists parents in other countries (maybe mostly USA?) that worry about whether their kid will one day become a School-Shooter. :(
Its only recently that we started to frown upon genocide. The atrocities committed in the Middle Ages aren't fresh enough. Mind you, its not "just the numbers". Here's a US example [1]. Or think about stories in the bible about the ill.
Always use Encryption. This news is disturbing but understandable since Americans hardly batted an Eye when it was revealed to them they were being spied on.
Just like the Chinese government's Integrated Joint Operations Platform surveillance software. "Not using a smartphone" is one of the 36 data points which mark you out as having "suspicious behaviour":
That used to be true. Poor people can often afford a smartphone now, even in really poor countries like Ethiopia, not just the US. It may be a crappy old or limited model, but it doesn't have to be a feature phone.
You can trivially make a partition so that it shows some data when you enter one password and some other data when using another password, next. i did it when i travelled to the US in 2018 but they didn't bother checking att
I used veracrypt btw, no way to tell that there is a hidden nested partition without in depth crypto analysis of the harddrive(in which case you're probably screwed anyways)
Were there a perception by someone that you were possibly giving a false statement or violating some other rule (or just disrespecting them), consider how much misery and expenses you might incur, long before lawyers finished debating the question.
Minimize travel through problematic places, minimize sensitive data and access that you expose when traveling through problematic places, minimize being clever.
what perception? most interactions go thusly-
"Please unlock your phone/laptop and submit it for processing->i enter the -clean- password/log into my carefully normal looking user on my android phone by using the -clean- pattern" <they do something, mostly just look it over themselves> "ok fine you're free to go"
there is LITERALLY no way for them to tell that i've done anything to the data without carefully analyzing the partition(which they wouldn't know existed because i'm using boot level encryption). obviously if i had REALLY sensitive data i wouldn't carry it with me and just get it from "cloud of choice" but this is just a case of privacy(i don't want them looking at my private texts/photos/notes/media collection). And they won't.
It's difficult to talk responsibly about some kinds of security practices. One reason is that you don't want to tip off bad people who don't already know. Another reason is that you don't want to inadvertently give mistaken advice to good people.
The problem is that us here on HN can probably take the gamble on it and bypass it either by using burner devices, bringing devices which have been wiped and then restoring them from the cloud, or using plausible deniability encryption like you have. But 99.9999% of travellers to the US don't have the knowledge or access to these methods, so it's completely insignificant in standing up to the surveillance state that US is enforcing. It feels good to say "yeah but I know a way around it" - but the problem still exists.
Well the war is already lost imo, customs gets to run roughshod over every right in the name of "national security". all we can do is protect ourselves at this point.
The tech big companies don't care to make an issue out of it and the issue is too complex(seemingly) for the every man so no progress is going to be made in the short term(5-10 years) until more tech literate people get elected. All we can do is campaign and mitigate
Is there any basis in the Immigration and Nationality Act for deporting you for refusing to provide you password? From what I understand, it could make it practically impossible to ever return. I’m wondering if not giving your password is a basis for something as serious as this. Does this have any lawful basis?
I'm not convinced lawful basis matters in the average persons situation where they're being detained for questioning without access to legal representation, then sent back.
That sounds like a way to get things fixed best sadly. Do it to big business clients who in face of millions to billions of liability go and tell them to fuck off and let their clients know why they couldn't show up. They aren't doing anything wrong following security policies if the policies weren't already a work around.
If it causes an international incident all the better to humiliate them. Sad that the system is so oligarchic but bullies learn only through force.
Wouldn't "big business clients" be TSA pre-checked, have global-entry and all the magic keys "big business clients" use to not have to suffer through the same awful things regular peons have to stomach?
International incident with whom exactly? What was the fallout of the "incident" when the world found out that the US was spying on NATO allies and heads of state?
But what exactly are you going to do about it? If you have a lot of money maybe you can pay lawyers to go to court to demand you be allowed to enter, but there's a good chance the court will be persuaded that since you're not there there's nothing to discuss. And why aren't you there? Because they never allowed you to enter the country.
The "No fly" list allows them to make it essentially impossible to enter without even the inconvenience of actually turning you away at the border.
Unlike Nature's laws, our laws are not facts. Writing that "We hold these truths to be self-evident" did not make them so, Americans are free only if and to the extent that all Americans make them free, and in the modern era I'm afraid there's precious little sign of that.
For all the other shenanigans that they’ve done, can you come up with even one case where an American citizen has been detained indefinitely at the border?
Also, you’re already across once you meet the border people. You’re not in no-man’s-land; the border is infinitely thin and you are already in the US at the checkpoint. This is the simplest habeas corpus petition ever.
There have been several cases where legal American Citizens have been put into deportation proceedings or formally deported. All it takes is for a border agent to choose not to believe the documents you’re handing over. There is no rule at the federal level that entitles noncitizens to trials. So a border agent declaring you a noncitizen without court oversight strips you of your constitutional rights. One US citizen was detained by ICE for 3 years, other reports exist of 1-year detentions. It all really depends on how poor you are and how backed up (by design) the system is.
Anyway, a citizen being turned away, shipped back, or put into deportation at the airport isn’t a far reach from any of this.
Do you have a link to any of these stories? I have heard of US citizens being detained and bullied at the border, but they were always eventually admitted into the country after a few hours of "purgatory".
Where would you even try to deport a US citizen? "Here, Spain, we don't think this guy is a US citizen, his passport doesn't look legit enough, can you take him?"
Thanks for sharing. I guess the difference is that none of these stories involves crossing the border (or maybe I missed some details, that was a lot to read :). Still positively frightening that the system could so badly fail.
Unless you have the financial and time resources to fight back, “they” can do whatever they want. Just like cops “can’t” abuse their power, the power dynamics are so asymmetrically against most people that you simply have to hope everything goes well. Or know a senator who will go to bat for you.
I wonder how long until such unilateralism provokes nasty consequences - the law is to protect them from grudges as well. The solution to diffuse it is obvious yet sadly difficult - accountability.
Being "immune to justice" leads to taking matters into their own hands which is never pretty. It has a very long history - terrorists and insurgent can be called the descendents of Sicarii style attacks - original Zealot Hebrew fundamentalists knifing Romans and vanishing into crowd.
Hi! You typically want to breath out through your noise, then inhale through the mouth when you go for air.
Another tip that comes immediately to mind is try using a swimmer’s snorkel. At first, it’ll be really difficult to keep from water going into your nose but after a few practices, your nose and it’s canals will block out water as a reflex, enabling you to breath through your mouth the entire swim. Hope this helps and sorry for English!
You can do nothing wrong and still end up in this situation.
For example, get involved in a messy divorce, get out-lawyered, end up on the hook for astronomical amounts of retroactive child support. If you're not careful you might be dealing with a lot more than just the repo man.
Plus the way the legal system is in the US, a single unpaid parking ticket could spiral completely out of control into tens of thousands in late payment fees, fines, and jail time.
If you think privacy is unimportant for you because you have nothing to hide, you might as well say free speech is unimportant for you because you have nothing useful to say.
F-Secure Oyj is a Finnish company. Due to cultural and societal standards, Finns take their work and product very seriously. If anyone or anything was shady and put peoples’ privacy at risk, the company would be shutdown immediately. It would be on the Finnish news for decades. ;)
I think user ‘sixothree’ was stating that a picture would show after unlocking the phone, not after a call. I myself, have had it happen to me several times couple months ago and thought it was really creepy. It almost seemed as if someone was using the front camera without my knowledge. Thought it to be glitch or something at that time.
I remember reading cases where elderly people in nursing homes who have lived in (Sweden?) for almost their entire reverted to speaking Finnish as that was the language they grew up speaking.
I put Sweden in parentheses with a question mark because I can’t be sure that is in fact Sweden. It could also be the US. I read about it awhile ago and not in English. Sorry.
Here in Finland, practically everyone carries one. From young kids to grown adult men and women. I even saw an old person with one the other day. One can’t carry as much nor is it practical to use briefcases.
I'd argue that briefcase's are more practical for that kind of job where it involves a lot of paperwork, as you can lay them flat without worrying about crumbling them.
They said it themselves. Its about _looking_ a part. If they wanted practicality it would be business casual and a backpack but its not about that. Monkey suit and briefcase shows you're willing to jump through the hoops, toe the line and wear the uniform.
They will aim to eliminate tiktok as, everyone in the us higher ups agree it has to go, but who will be next afterwards? If in the future, Facebook doesn’t bend its knee to shovel out state propaganda, will it too go?
The very scary part of the bill, if true, is the outright banning of VPNs.
As a Finn, I’m not too worried about myself right now, but should USA fall into a complete Surveillance State with monitoring and it’s own version of China’s Social Credit system, it will have huge ramifications on EU and probably my country Finland.