Yeah no, I rather pay a fee for that

A paid version would be great but Google would have to figure out how to judge traffic levels without location data.

Yeah I'm not saying is easier for google, but would be a net gain for everyone in the long run

There are other suppliers of traffic data outside Google.

In fact, some of Google's traffic data is based off things like police reports.

I wouldn't. I also would rather not pay a fee for wikipedia. I would rather not pay a fee for Google searches.

I'm willing to pay a fee for many things but these three services redefined the entire world's productivity levels. Maps, Search and Wikipedia are world-changing (and miraculously, Wikipedia is a non-profit and still manages to exist and be stable. Please donate if you have the means, etc.). The reason they are world-changing is because they're free.

Free: Available to everyone, everywhere, without payment or account gating. It's a huge fucking deal for the world that they are and remain free.

You want to change the world? Make something massively useful to the planet. Then, make it free.

There are plenty of paid-for satnavs. Tomtom Navigation GPS Traffic (Android)/ Tomtom GO (iOS) get good reviews for motoring. Citymapper is free and great for public transport. I'm sure there are many others.

The satnav in my car is pretty good, and doesn't violate my privacy.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find one for walking around. All the battery powered ones seem aimed at hikers, so they're loaded with great wilderness maps, but won't help me find a coffee.

OSMAND is pretty good.

It uses Openstreetmap and can work offline.

Fuck surveillance capitalism

Word!

I think this is a symptom that, as engineers we are now relegated to a second plane, our focus is just to accomplish the next task set by people who doesn't care or understand a bit about software engineering.

You can read it here multiple times "we are pay to make features", the not so passive sentiment that we should be relegated to code monkeys that accomplish business objectives is just so sad to me.

Why would anyone consider it obsolete to begin with ?

If anything, I would consider someone making that statement miss informed

In the current web dev world, "not the hip new paradigm of the past 3 years" == obsolete in some people's eyes, sadly.

I would consider that person to be obsolete :D

Instagram uses it. I'd say they're pretty well-known.

Others: DigitalOcean, Pinterest (used Django at first, may have moved to Flask by now, not sure), Mozilla, Disqus, Robinhood, The Washington Post.

IIRC, I had read that Disqus uses Django, and that they were one of the biggest Django sites on the net, but that was a while earlier. Not sure about now.

Update: Just saw that HN user txcwpalpha said the same about Disqus in sibling comment.

Pinterest uses Django.

Doesn't Instagram count as a well-known product? :)

Last time I checked, last.fm uses Django.

I don't disagree with your assessments of django limitations. It does however, seems like a poor choice for your specific problem.

This is why the problem inform the solution, pick the framework (or lack of) that suits your problem best

Django is a fantastic boring[1] tool, and seeing boring updates like this is great.

couldn't agree more