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Yes I think this is going to be the end of Bitcoin, we'll never hear about it again after this year


Good riddance, we can finally put this bitcoin nonsense behind us. Let's add this article to the bitcoin is dead site, I'm sure it's finally the end this time! https://bitcoindeaths.com/


It is more rare than gold and getting more rare every 4 years.

What is the current supply of gold and what will it be in 2050?


Gold has a utility, used in a large swath of electronics. Can always be sold to make something. Bitcoin can only be sold if there is a fiat currency trading in it


Electronics didn't exist for the thousands of years that gold was used as currency. The fact is, it only has most of the value that it does because it was rare, malleable, particularly shiny, and because metallism was simply the easiest way (or at least one of the easiest ways) to invent the concept of currency and a monetary system.


Even then it had a utility as jewlery. Bitcoin fails on that.


Bitcoin's utility is that you can both hold it in your hands and send it across the world in 10 minutes with no intermediaries. Can't do that with gold.


you don't want your currency to be useful though. the value inherent in a currency is its ability to be verified without trusting the counterparty.


There is an infinite supply of computer algorithms. Gold is an element.


Your comment indicates that you fundamentally misunderstand BTC. I recommend reading Broken Money by Lyn Alden.


No, I get it, thank you very much. Early adopter of BTC here, I've read the whitepaper and all that, sodl when I realized what an energy pig it had become.

The only thing that separates BTC from all the derivative shitcoins is hype and stories we tell about it. Bitcoin is itself interchangeable with an infinite number of related algorithms/schemes.

Gold extraction definitely has its problems, but it's a fundamental element of the universe.

In 100 years, I know which one will definitely still hold value.


Are you going to stop using AI because it consumes too much energy?


It is getting less less rare every 4 years.


In what way? I assume you know how the minting of coins work with miners


You don't really believe that do you? The market disagrees as well


Yea we do, but continue to bury your head in the sand for the next 15 years you'll be just fine


Yeah the rest of us can continue geeking out over layered network protocol design and technologies like Lightning or Liquid. There is so much going on under the hood but it is so much easier to take the piss and learn nothing. That is no surprise, with the current state of the world.


Did you buy any Bitcoin for long term investment?


No. That's another long story. I think bitcoin is basically a scam. (That's another essay I should probably write.)

This is not to say you can't make money at it. People make money on scams all the time. One might argue that it's a foundational element of the American economy. But when it comes to bitcoin, I understand the technology and its attendant risks too well for me to want to play that game.


At the risk of digressing - do you think there's a baby in that bathwater?

I agree completely that BTC is basically a scam at this point, as are most of the top coins by market cap.

However, there are a few interesting cryptocurrency projects out there which are quietly getting better and better (ie, Nano). Do you have any interest in the potential of the field, or has BTC soured you on the whole thing?


> do you think there's a baby in that bathwater?

That's a very hard question to answer because it depends on what you consider "that bathwater." I think using digital signatures is a win. But mining is a BIG lose IMHO. It is vastly better in every possible respect to rely on trusted third-parties. Even with bitcoin most people rely on TTPs because managing your own keys is fraught with all manner of peril.

> However, there are a few interesting cryptocurrency projects out there which are quietly getting better and better (ie, Nano). Do you have any interest in the potential of the field, or has BTC soured you on the whole thing?

I don't know anything about Nano. But the fact of the matter is that BTC is pretty much synonymous with crypto nowadays, and everything else (AFAICT) is riding on its coattails. No one would be taking any of it seriously if not for the fact that 1 BTC fetches USD100k or whatever it is nowadays.


What makes Bitcoin a scam?



His arguments about the feasibility of a 51% attack are off by an order of magnitude, and the fact that you can't easily reduce the amount of energy needed to mine is a feature, not a bug


> His arguments about the feasibility of a 51% attack are off by an order of magnitude,

About that:

https://blog.rongarret.info/2023/04/bitcoins-value-propositi...

(I'm the author, BTW.)

> and the fact that you can't easily reduce the amount of energy needed to mine is a feature, not a bug

We'll have to agree to disagree about that. Most people consider gross inefficiency a bug, especially when that inefficiency is a necessary part of the design.


Their real estate portfolio is at least 1-2B, w/ 2B in debt, they are buying the business at a ratio of 20 P/E.

Will be interesting to see how they do privately, good luck to them!


It's cool, but I'm wondering what the breakeven cost would have to be if you weren't planning on making money from PFOF?

Can easily see this being $5-10 a month without a problem or even $500 lifetime pass for early supporters. Also if you add Lightning Network deposits to a portfolio I would be more likely to use it, you can make money off the spread too as long as it is under 1%


Why don't you ask people in Egypt or Venezuela?


You just described the current fiat system, where the top gets to benefit from the money printer while the middle class loses its purchasing power over time


Anything backed by the guarantee of a government or corporation?


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