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The decentralization problem in BlueSky is not filtering out users, but rather hearing from users that BlueSky has decided to filter out.


Yeah which is why I added the "and platform your buddies" and the "but the people that give them death threats should" bits but they probably were too parenthetical to come across.


Most recently in my case: "$3.5 million scam victims compensation fund".

People who want me to hear them belong to one of two groups: I want that, or I don't.

The second group may be expected to be overwhelmingly spammers and scammers, with a smattering of tankies and kooks, because the ability to reach the largest possible audience is attractive to them, right? So what you think, should each recipient maintain his/her own filter, or should the platform include some sort of common filter?


My local grocery store discontinued the use of plastic bags entirely. They now do a tidy trade in reusable bags at $1 a pop. Many of which are used only once.


Where does the firehose stream originate? From individual PDSes, or from the Bluesky relay that aggregates their repo events?


Those fakes are a real scourge. People lose their data in addition to their money. Very easy to spot fake listings but the platforms allow them to proliferate. I consider the platforms to be criminally culpable because of the wilful neglect.


How do you spot the fake listings?


These ones are fairly obvious as though they adopt the same model name and colouring than the original, they do not show a Samsung or WD brand. I suspect they do that to avoid giving standing to these companies to sue them. If the distributor (ebay) doesn't care, and the buyers are individuals who will not sue, they act pretty much with impunity.


The lowest hanging fruit are the ones with too good to be true prices.


I was considering creating a censorship free bluesky pds. The showstopper is that bluesky can cut off read access to the content firehose relay. I suspect they would do that, or be forced to do that if a true free speech platform were to emerge.


Could you say more about what you're building? I didn't quite understand from your comment or the website.


Private group chats do not tend to be encrypted. If my theory on what governments are most concerned about (disrupting alternative political organizing) holds true - they never will be allowed to be fully private.


Bluesky prioritized safe-space culture over free speech and decentralization. Interesting experiment but that's not what a Twitter replacement needs to be.


Anyone looking for "free speech" can already find it on Twitter in abundance, they don't need a replacement.

The only draw to being a Twitter replacement is not being like Twitter, which means not being a safe space for Nazi and Nazi-adjacent content.


Only a fully decentralized system can guarantee free speech. And yes, that even includes letting the Israelis have their say too.


Freedom of speech must include freedom from speech or it isn't free.

Israelis can say whatever they like, I'm not obligated to listen to them.


Agreed. That's what the mute button is for. There is no conflict with free speech and a mute button.


> Anyone looking for "free speech" can already find it on Twitter in abundance, they don't need a replacement.

From what I’ve heard, Elon deletes a lot of stuff he disagrees with.


Yes, Nazis exist there.

Nazis are also finding safe spaces on Reddit, Wikipedia, Telegram, Tinder and virtually all other large social sites if you care to look. Nazi safe space isn't exclusive to X.


On Reddit? If anything its moderation can be heavy handed.


Elon Musk sympathizes with Nazis and shares their views and his platform has been explicitly designed to cater to the extreme right and amplify that speech while purging the "woke mind virus."

When the Nazis show up to your bar and you don't kick them out, you have a Nazi bar. Elon didn't just not kick them out, he put up a big sign that said "Nazis drink free." Let's not pretend the site formerly known as Twitter is a politically or culturally neutral space in this regard.


You mention Nazis a lot

do you know even Nazi is, how can people be "Nazi" according to you??


Ask grok, buddy. It loves that topic.


> people tell the AI to call itself mecha hitler

> Grok doing the user request

> people call Grok nazi/racist etc

It literally debunked


I'm sorry, what was debunked?


Unless you're an anti-fascist ... Musk made sure to personally ban the large anti-fascist accounts immediately upon taking over twitter

Also the word "cisgender" is banned


Yes, I'm intentionally being facetious using "free speech" with the same implication that most people complaining about the lack of "free speech" on Bluesky or Mastodon do, which is to say the freedom to post racist right-wing propaganda and hate speech without consequence.


No, I want actual free speech, where Nazis are allowed to freely post their nonsense and I’m allowed to freely laugh at them. And Twitter is not that.

> If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —Noam Chomsky


It's traumatic to be victim of malevolence. There's the injury, but it is the lack of a motivation which is disturbing - it's a loss of innocence.


It does suck. Because it’s a reminder that they’re are jerks out there and hard to avoid. Especially on the web. It also must sting because he’s trying to be a good citizen.

We see this in abusive behavior towards open source maintainers. It saps their will. And 100 thanks < 1 savage attack.

About a year ago the site I worked on had a hacking attempt. I’m not sure why, it was a site that provided online genetic tools for researchers. We had no financials, or even logins. I felt bad in a similar way as when someone broke into my car years ago, or when I had a package go missing.

Move forward/ move on is how I handled it.


Just as a note to 100 thanks < 1 savage attack. I run several open source sites that collectively get 240k unique vistors per day. They've been running for > 10 years. I get less than 2 thanks a year. I'm not saying I deserve any or that I want them. Only providing data.

I also have 100+ open source projects on github. A few with ~1000 stars. Same thing, few if any thanks.

I wish there was some way to make it easier to thank. I'm just as guilty of not thanking all the open source projects I use except for the few I donate to.

It would still suck to get attacked but it would be motivating to get thanked as well.


Just wanted to say that each of those stars is a small thank you from someone. At least I always gave them with this in mind, and I always assumed others did too.

I don't know which projects are yours, but a big thank you to you and everyone else who is helping others either through opensource or otherwise!


Is bluesky becoming more or less decentralized over time?

Will I ever be able to host an instance where controversial views can be published?


Is that not possible today with the self hosting option? https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting


That's my question! If I run that, can I show posts that bluesky has banned? Can I allow people to respond to any post they choose?


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