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Are you suggesting a government agency is just making things up in official communications?

If that’s the case you must also assume the deportee is lying as well? Between the two it’s the deportee who has the bigger incentive to make things up.

If we’re going to go with those assumptions there is no point in even discussing it because neither of have any facts to base an argument on.



Here’s a letter from a Senator, asking Kristi Noem to correct the record after it came to light in court proceedings that the DHS lied: https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/murphy...

Here’s an article discussing how Noem recently claimed that “no American citizens have been arrested or detained”, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary: https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/04/homeland-security-bo...

Here’s an article discussing how the recent video published by DHS about their success in DC was in fact composed of footage from different cities and months old: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/10/29/tru...

Here’s another article discussing some of the same incidents and others where DHS put out false statements and would not correct them: https://reason.com/2025/10/22/homeland-security-wont-stop-ly...

Here’s another letter from a congresswoman demanding DHS retract false statements made about an alleged criminal, who was later proven to be framed: https://gwenmoore.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Documen...

So why should I believe anything they say these days? They are blatantly lying, in ways that are manifestly obvious to anyone that is willing to look. We don’t owe the presumption of good faith to people who time and again have been publicly caught lying - and worse, who haven’t even tried to correct the record.


Half of your sources are other government officials. That kind of runs counter to your argument that you can't rely on government official statements to be true, no?

And let's look at the Reason article. "Martinez also was taken to the hospital by ambulance, and the criminal complaint against her only mentions two cars, not 10."

Ok, so the DHS "lied" about being boxed in by 2 not 10 cars. That seems to miss the forest for the tree no? The DHS agents were still boxed in - normally threatening federal law enforcement officers is illegal, no?




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