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If we're being honest those mods were not inoffensive, in fact most of them were specifically made for the purpose of causing offense.


No, they really weren't, they were made to restore an experience that matches 99.99% of people's own experiences and sensibilities at the very start of a game. If that's somehow offensive, then I'm sorry but it's utterly deranged and hateful for the 0.01% to insist that their way is the only way that can or should be for all.

Or look at it this way, nobody will demand any mods be removed or censored that do the opposite to older games.


> No, they really weren't, they were made to restore an experience that matches 99.99% of people's own experiences and sensibilities at the very start of a game

Exceptionally funny to read this in the face of the most recent example, where the author was banned after he explicitly said that he was making his mod for the purpose of upsetting people.


> No, they really weren't, they were made to restore an experience that matches 99.99% of people's own experiences and sensibilities at the very start of a game.

Too true! I can handle VTOL spacecraft, lizards with tits and guns that shoot other guns, but a gay person!? IMMERSION RUINED


That misses the point entirely. You know how bigoted people were in the 1970s right, when video games were still in their infancy? What if the early game industry or congress and the courts had decided that any depiction of a woman in games must conform to the moral standards of the day, so that if you have a female, she must be either a straight virgin, married to 1 faithful man, an old maid, a widow or dead.

Thats exactly what is happening today but in reverse.


> Thats exactly what is happening today but in reverse.

No, it's not.

For a start: it's not some overlording organization demanding this from the top: it's a ground-swell of people who come from diverse backgrounds entering the industry and making their voices heard.

For another it isn't an edict at all from an organization, government-affiliated or otherwise. It's companies realizing that making inclusive games boosts sales, and it doesn't hurt that they get a huge dose of free marketing from the Outrage Merchants by courting controversy that no well adjusted person gives two shits about, and well adjusted people tend to have more money which is all they care about.

If you don't like nonbinary pronouns, don't use them. If you find the new Horizon simply unbearable because Aloy doesn't look like a pornstar, don't buy it. There is simply no version of this where "Every product in this market isn't suitable for me, therefore I am oppressed" is going to scan for anyone outside your weird little group.

Touch grass.


>>If you don't like nonbinary pronouns, don't use them.

That's not even what I'm talking about, it's "Body Type A" or "Body Type B" where the proverbial child has been sawn in half so nobody can have it, these mods restore the choice back to people who have a legitimate claim TO their pronouns.


> these mods restore the choice back to people who have a legitimate claim TO their pronouns

Excuse me, what?

Who is the pronoun gatekeeper here? Who decides who has a legitimate claim to pronouns?

Sounds pretty transphobic to me, tbqh.


> Who decides who has a legitimate claim to pronouns?

The normal people, of course. :eyeroll:

I just can't fathom giving enough of a shit that people different from me exist and are doing things I don't want to do, in places I am not, with people I am not.

Genuinely, get a life y'all. This is so sad at this point.


If this is about that Tomb Raider mod that someone mentioned up above, this reaction is so overblown as to be hysterical. Three sentences of text that indicate a game that came out 30 years ago might have some offensive racial stereotypes is somehow so egregious to you? What is this about "restoring an experience?" The text displays before the game starts; it doesn't impact your experience at all. I highly doubt 99.99% of people care, let alone are upset that Crystal Dynamics would dare to acknowledge that games from the 90s weren't always tactful in their depictions of diverse ethnic groups.

It's so dishonest to strip out the context in your reply to try and make this issue sound like some valiant crusade when it's really just some racists who enjoyed a racist thing feeling bad that someone told them they should feel bad for being racists.


citation needed*


The last high profile case of this (the Oblivion "body type" one) was accompanied with a kiwifarms link by the uploader. It was a link to a thread in which users were competing for how many trans people they could encourage into completing suicides. These are the people you're carrying water for.




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