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Yeah! Hit that straw man!

You could caricature libertarianism, or you could engage with understanding what it actually is, whether or not you choose to agree with it.



> You could caricature libertarianism, or you could engage with understanding what it actually is, whether or not you choose to agree with it.

Why is it that 99% of people arguing for libertarianism do a much better job making a caricature of it than anyone else that's intentionally tried?

I've tried to engage with them in good faith but ultimately all their arguments devolve into abolishing taxes and keeping track of existing bureaucracy on an individual level. Every. Single. Time.

It's not a practically tenable position. It's a youthful fantasy on the opposite side of the spectrum of property rights (the other side of the spectrum is communism).


I’d call myself a “spiritual” libertarian. Over the years, it became obvious that laws, regulations, compromises, and balances that curtail freedoms exist for a reason. It’s an imperfect world, And if the goal is to maximize human happiness and prosperity, a framework for cooperation is absolutely imperative.

I think it’s also good to push back against this flow of structure, because just as much as the idea that freedom and self-interest are the ideal drivers of society is a dangerous and intoxicating illusion, so is the idea that cooperation and goodwill can be legislated.

The reality is, of course, much more nuanced and poorly distributed. Incentives alignment to the common good is an effort that is a struggle to even properly define, much less to implement.

The fact that people seem to not understand that incentive alignment is the goal, rather than mothering or oppression, doesn’t help.

The problems of the state are much less tractable and congruous with personal experience than most people, including most politicians, appreciate. Relatable analogies such as running a business or a family used in appeals to “common sense” are farcical in their relation to the state, and often disastrous in application.

Statecraft is something that requires not only a deep understanding of political theory and practice, but also of psychology, economics, game theory, statistics, and a solid dose of intuition and luck. In short, it is demanding to the point of nearly being a fools errand, yet the electorate seems to favor simpletons, paternal figures, and shiny things that smell like upper class. I really don’t know if there is a way forward with democracy unless we lean in hard to education.




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