I've never ever thought about needing a therapist. Don't remember anyone in my circle who had ever mentioned it. Similar to how I don't remember anyone going to a palm reader. I'm not trying to diss either profession, I'm sure someone benefits from them, it's just not for me. And I'm sure I'm pretty average in terms of emotional intelligence or psychological issues. Who are all those people who need professional therapists to talk to? Just curious.

A little strange to compare it to palm reading, I feel like a more apt comparison is some other random medical field like podiatry. I wouldn't expect my friends' podiatrist usage to come up, so I'm sure more of my friends than I know have been to one. And presumably, like with podiatry, all the people who need professional therapists are people who are experiencing issues in the relevant area.

To me a podiatrist is more comparable to a psychiatrist than to a therapist.

You saying talk therapy just isn't for you is like me saying physical therapy just isn't for me. Well, I'm glad that everything is functioning well for you in that area, but it would be kind of silly for me to write off physical therapy because I haven't needed it yet. Talk therapy can help people with social anxiety or chronic depression, but it can also help people cope with major life changes like losing a loved one, losing a job, getting divorced, or even retiring. We all have difficult moments in our life.

> I've never ever thought about needing a therapist.

Most people don’t need a therapist. But unfortunately, most people need someone empathic they can talk to and who understands them. Modern life is very short on this sort of people, so therapists have to do.

I disagree. Most people will go through a time in their life where they could benefit from a therapist--maybe to cope with bullying in high school--perhaps to mentally and emotionally process a terminal illness or the loss of a spouse or child.

And then some people will benefit from just having someone to talk to about the stresses of daily life. I don't think that means they have an inadequate social network or that it reflects poorly on modern society. We should be happy to live in a time where we have the resources and ability to proactively care for our mental health just as we do our teeth.

I think this is it. Therapists aren't so much curing a past trauma or treating a mental issue; they're fulfilling an ongoing need that isn't being met elsewhere.

I do think it can be harmful, because it's a confidant you're paying $300/hour to pretend to care about you. But perhaps it's better than the alternative.

For me this would be a spouse, a relative, an old friend, or even a stranger at a party.

No argument from me :)

Well, in my circles its an assumption you’re in therapy. Perhaps this says way more about the circles I’m in that anything else?

I was pushed into therapy when I was 12 — which was definitely an exception at the time (1987). As the years have passed therapy has become much much more acceptable. It wouldn’t shock me to learn my own perception is shaped by my experiences; hard to put aside a PoV once acquired.

> Well, in my circles its an assumption you’re in therapy. Perhaps this says way more about the circles I’m in that anything else?

This sounds like an old Woody Allen movie. I don’t want to offend you but it is fascinating. What kind of social circles is it?

In mine, therapy is in general something you do when it’s obvious it’s too late and you are falling in the well of depression and that you try to hide as much as you can.

To be fair my life feels like an old Woody Allen movie. Like I have definitely first hand experienced a rotary fan blowing a pile of cocaine in someone’s face!!

My professional circle would be my coworkers at a well-known HFT, and my extended network that is very similar. Everyone is well compensated and many reach out for professional help to deal with the stress. Many also seem to vastly prefer a paid therapist to their spouse, for instance. I’m not married but I can understand not wanting to burden your loved ones!

My personal circle is, well, a lot of technical people, engineers of various stripes, and what I guess I’d call a sort of “standard cast of characters” there? Not sure how best to put this into words?

Honestly it sounds like we’re handling it better than your after-the-fact help! Perhaps you all need to simply start at the first warning sign not the first episode that becomes public?

Reading this the next day, my takeaway is that while you may not have intended to “diss”, you sure as fuck did it anyway.

You directly compared therapy to snake oil (palm reading). Then by implication determined that since you were average (and hence normal) no one else would need therapy unless they were, by implication abnormal.

I don’t believe I have ever been so thoroughly insulted online ever. Well done.

Thanks for posting, I was struggling to articulate more or less that.

(I welcome the increased skepticism on display on this post, but there's skepticism and then there's ... that)

I'm pretty sure that just about every single person could use a therapist. That is, an empathetic, non-judgemental Reasonable Authority Figure who you can talk to about anything without worrying about inconveniencing or overloading them, and who knows how to gently guide you towards healthy, productive thought patterns and away from unhealthy ones. People who truly don't need someone like that in their life are likely a small minority; much more common is, probably, to simply think that you don't.

That's similar to asking why does everyone need a GP? Most people experience some kind of mental health challenge in their life.

Your 2nd question is much more interesting to me. Why is it so hard to find a good therapist?

It's no surprise to me that people are turning to ChatGPT for therapy. It does a decent enough job and it doesn't have a 2-year waiting list, or cost $300 a session.

It's a modern variant on Heller's Catch-22: You have to be CRAZY to not want a therapist.

It's the easiest way to cope with not having a purpose in life and depending on external validation / temporary pleasures.

Like jordan peterson (though I don't like the guy) has said - happyness is fleeting, you need a purpose in life.

Most of current gen has no purpose and grown up on media which glorify aesthetics and pleasure and to think that's what the whole life is about. When they don't get that level of pleasure in life, they become depressed and may turn to therapy. This is very harmful to the society. But people are apparently more triggered by slang words than constant soft porn being pushed through Instagram and the likes.

Nothing has gone wrong. There's just been a destigmatization of mental health issues. The world is a happier place for it.

It's astroturfing by the therapy industry. It has been a wildly successful marketing campaign.

probably some herd effect going on but realistically what the fuck is there to live for , capitalism is increasingly deleting everything that makes us human and replacing it with a worse version while selling a cure for the artifically generated problems that result