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Enough with the founding fathers. They are ancient relics. They may as well have lived on another planet.


The stand they took and what they created is what has led to where we are today. To disregard their advice is at the very least disrespectful.

Regardless of where a set of ideas come from, if you disagree with them, argue against them head on and not with redirections to other topics.


to disregard the context in which the founding fathers' ideologies developed is to ignore the utter hypocrisy of their views.

these were wealthy men who owned other human beings for personal economic benefit.

whatever high-seeming notions may have underpinned their political project, their goal was to build a new nation in which they could continue to accumulate dynastic wealth free from monarchial control, at the cost of the very freedoms they claimed to stand for.

the hypocrisy is inextricable from the legacy.


Is there a particular text that you can reference showing their goal was dynastic wealth?

I can take good ideas and leave bad ideas, the generations following the founders eventually did that by ending slavery.


Would you also disregard ancient philosophy, or religion? Modern psychology seems to rigorously prove out profound ideas the ancients had about the human mind, yet these ideas were written down thousands of years ago. Why would it be that people from hundreds of years ago would be so divorced from our reality?


Yes, but if we study them more we may manage to decrease some of that distance


It's always noble quotes from them, too, like they're saints. Untouchable.

And never the parts about keeping slavery or exterminating indigenous people or conquering Canada, etc being legitimate causes.




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