>Hint: some cops are really good in the skill of inflicting pain to people without lasting medical trace to prove it afterwards.
Sorry, I don't buy that this happens with any kind of frequency in the 21st century United States, such that a person could reasonably expect this to happen to them. Do you have more than ambiguous innuendo to back up this claim?
Anyone whose even been handcuffed knows this is a fact. They make no effort to hide the fact that they are intentionally causing you pain because they can.
I've been handcuffed, albeit only once in my life, and aside from the cop being exceedingly efficient (I didn't really see it coming until the cuffs were already on), he was actually entirely polite and professional about the whole thing.
I've no doubt that there are bad cops out there. Probably more than a few. But I don't think it's helpful to portray the entire profession that way, even if they do bring a lot of the bad PR on themselves by how they handle the situations where a cop does behave badly.
Maybe it's because I've lived in Chicago my whole life, but I've only ever dealt with cops who could be generously described as evil. The cops at my high school sat in the lobby all day harassing students, one of them was fired for starting a relationship with a student. The union contested and got his job back after he was elected president of their union. I've never had a government employee other than cops tell me to "fuck off" or "shut the fuck up". In fact, I can count on you hand the number of times anyone other than a close friend has said that to me, yet it seems like everyone I meet has been verbally abused by cops.
Chicago is bad. I've suffered bad abuse in Chicagoland by the police. I just did 8 years in the county jail due to the police violating the law and violating my rights.
Don’t you mean 8 months? In Illinois you can only be sentenced to less than a year in county jail unless you are awaiting trial in which case 8 years seems a bit much.
I wouldn’t post that, if I’m correct you’ve just doxed yourself since your nickname corresponds with the name of a gentleman who has been there for over 8 years awaiting a murder trial.
Some people may enjoy having their real world identities be separate from their online presence, depending on personal preferences and how security conscious they are about that particular account.
Some communities may or may not also have additional rules about exposing your own identity, or the identities of others, which should be taken into account.
I was once arrested wearing nothing but a t shirt on a freezing night. The police officer intentionally left the windows open in my compartment while blasting the heat in the driver's seat. I asked him to roll up the window and he ignored me. This was in Montgomery County, MD.
Exactly the point. The police can waste your time. Those people can’t go to work and will likely lose their job because they are being jammed up by police.
I just spent 8 years in the county jail while the police wasted my time to try and get a conviction out of me. They offered to let me walk free on my first court date if I plead guilty, but I refused, so I did 8 years locked up. I'm actually still in custody now, just not at the jail. Might be in custody for another couple of years until the case is dismissed.
Looking at the statistics for Cook County Jail, there are a number of unconvicted people who have been in there for almost 12 years waiting to go to trial.
Sometimes the cases come out because "standard procedure" ends up killing someone with an underlying medical issue. One case involved cops who would strap a suspect to a chair and then cover their bodies with pepper spray including spraying directly up their nose and into eyeballs. One guy had a heart condition and died. The cops involved usually get some paid vacation if the case is severe enough to make it to the news.
This has happened repeatedly and nobody seems to care.
10 seconds on Google turned up another case from this year.
Ever protested anything that the conservative majority of your city supports, esp. the police? Try it some time, its fun! You'll find out pretty damn quick that the riot police love to hurt people, once something is declared a riot, it becomes a free-for-all. If you think this is innuendo, let me direct you to the 2 years of BLM protests around the country that have videos of cops behaving just lovely.
They asked for any evidence beyond "it's like this, trust me" and you answered with "really, it's like this, trust me". Do you realize that if someone isn't convinced after the first "trust me", they won't be convinced by the second "trust me"?
A better reply is: "I am here to state an observation and not to prove anything to anyone since it's not a court room. Believe me if you want, I'll not stick around to find out".
That amounts to taking a dump in the middle of the conversation and walking away. If you aren’t here to participate in the discussion why say anything at all?
What's unclear is you are making pretty wild accusations and saying trust me because I said so. That's as good as any other unfounded claim made on the internet and it doesn't contribute value to the conversation.
If you don't like it, report me to the moderators and let them delete my comment(s) if they feel you are right. As far as I am aware, I have a right to post anecdotal evidence without a huge legal trail proving that I am right. And it's your right to not believe it.
Why not stop there?
EDIT: And yes, this absolutely is one of the unfounded claims that can be found all over the internet. Have I claimed otherwise?
Well, have you observed that behavior first-hand? Did someone you know and trust observe it first-hand and tell you about it? Etc. We don't ask you to "prove" anything, but some more information instead of vague hints would be helpful.
I thought the standard benefit of the doubt implies that I am not here to tell stories just because I am bored.
I've known such people, yes, three of them. Law-abiding normal people whose only mistake was that they were in a hurry and were slightly rude to the police officers because of it.
Technically, each and every claim of somebody can be disputed to death. That's why I invoked your right to not trust what strangers say on the internet. Still, I thought it was a given that I have some exposure to the claimed phenomena.
Did any of your acquaintances do anything after their release in response to the police torturing/brutalising them? Go to the press for example, or sue, raise a complaint, etc.?
Reading between the lines you're saying torture/brutality following arrest for speeding has been the experience of 3 of your friends?
Aside, your combative tone really isn't helping make a useful discussion. Something like "I have no evidence, sorry" would have been far better than attacking people requesting evidence.
> Something like "I have no evidence, sorry" would have been far better than attacking people requesting evidence.
Agreed, and I started correcting afterwards. I thought it was super obvious that I am sharing an anecdotal evidence and an opinion. I reacted hostile to claims that I somehow have to prove either of these (and both aren't clear-cut facts).
EDIT: To answer your questions, no, they haven't pressed charges (and it wasn't speeding, it was "a routine check"). They were even let go on the oral condition that they'll not pursue.
I simply observed that, without a lot of elaboration, it is you with your claims that added nothing to the discussion, despite appearing to do so. Saying wild things with no elaboration and evidence is worse than adding nothing, in fact. It's subtracting, or detracting from the conversation. Discussions in higher-quality forums sometimes involve calling out such lazy third-person maybe-accounts presented as valid discussion items.
You're getting salty for being called out and say "I don't care". Fine, you don't care. This, however, is not your personal page, it's a public discussion where claims are challenged. When I reply to your comment, I'm not necessarily replying to "you", I'm contributing to the overall discussion that others read, and make their own conclusions from all of it.
And I don't think there's any reason whatsoever for a dispassionate observer who may not be aware of how things are in the US these days to come away thinking that US cops ubiquitously and habitually torture detainees by beating them.
You can keep repeating the same things, I don't mind.
I'll say again as well: I stated things that are impossible to prove in an internet forum. I've admitted I got no solid proof -- you can just say that you don't believe me and that could have been the end of it.
Why do you continue is beyond me. I already said that I haven't stated a fact. If you think I should not post anecdotal evidence then please, by all means, pester the mods to delete EVERY SINGLE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE posted here on HN. Let me not stop you.
You can just say "I don't believe you", I'll just say "OK, I came here to state an observation and not to emulate a court room, and I have other things to do afterwards" and we can all be on our merry way.
Sorry, I don't buy that this happens with any kind of frequency in the 21st century United States, such that a person could reasonably expect this to happen to them. Do you have more than ambiguous innuendo to back up this claim?