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Just look at athletes before widespread steroid use. They have spent way more time training than actors and haven't looked like that even in sports that require dehydration like boxing.

That's exactly the problem with lying about steroids. It took a while for Arnold and his successors to admit that they were on 1000mg of test per week (plus other stuff of course; normal production of even high test men is below 100mg). Now people believe that yeah that bodybuilders are obviously juiced but physiques of elite athletes like soccer players or Hollywood actors are natural because they are smaller.

Remember, significant % of guys in your local gym are on juice. There are no doping controls in Hollywood. Testosterone won't kill you, it may even make your life better if you use it wisely. Would you take it if million dollars and fame were on the line? We know they take it because we know quite well how juiced up physiques look.

Besides, if someone who is not a professional athlete did 6 hours of serious training per day their body would give up sooner rather than later unless the recovery was "enhanced".

I don't condemn steroid use btw. I oppose widespread lying about it by the users and the media.



>I don't condemn steroid use btw. I oppose widespread lying about it by the users and the media.

Yeah this is the thing that annoys me. Recently listening to Tim Ferriss interviewing an amazing female powerlifter. She deadlifts 4x body weight and other sorts of remarkable feats.

So the entire 2 hour show discussed her insane training regimen and diet and other forms of wellness. Hearing how much she squats in a week was daunting (“what am I doing with my own weak training then!?”)

Then I googled her (Stefi Cohen) and she has shoulders like cannonballs (female Dan Green) and ripped abs like a male bodybuilder. So very obviously steroids play an essential role in her training /recovery capacity.

I have no problem or quibble with that. Want to take that, fine. Probably the only way you’ll meet the records she has established.

What I dislike, though, is the interview where everything BUT drugs is discussed. Drugs enable the recovery that enables her insane workload. Especially when Ferriss purports to dig into “the secrets of high performers”. Well this is one vital secret. I felt like this interview was deceptive in a way.

Like I said earlier, I’m not opposed to steroid use. I decided not to use them myself. But it would be refreshing to hear about the high performers among us who do. I’d like to know their thinking around the decision. I’m sure it valid and more refined than whatever I’d expect them to say.


It's annoying but there's one obvious reason they don't talk about it: Not only is it cheating in their sport, but it's even flat-out illegal. So of course they don't talk about it. Even though it's completely obvious from everything else they're talking about. Hell, just listen to her voice! The testosterone use is undeniable.


I don’t think she competes in a tested federation, so it’s not a problem.


You completely skipped over a highly relevant portion of my comment re: the illegality of steroids for this purpose.


Yeah you’re right. I read it as talking about the competition legalities.

Anyway I think the most practical justification why they don’t talk about this is because their sponsors don’t like it. Money talks.


Just look at athletes before widespread steroid use. They have spent way more time training than actors and haven't looked like that even in sports that require dehydration like boxing.

Athletes train for performance, generally meaning muscle strength and endurance. Actors train for appearance, generally meaning muscle size. These different training goals generally require very different training programs.

Would you take it if million dollars and fame were on the line? We know they take it because we know quite well how juiced up physiques look.

Clearly, you don't, or you would see immediately that Rudd and Najani are not juiced. If they were or had been juicing, they would be significantly more muscular after a full year of training.

Besides, if someone who is not a professional athlete did 6 hours of serious training per day their body would give up sooner rather than later unless the recovery was "enhanced".

With proper exercise form, proper diet and recovery, the human body can sustain elevated levels of serious training indefinitely. Our armed forces do it all the time; only 2.5% of the military uses steroids.


It depends how much you take. TRT like doses don't make you balloon like bodybuilders. They are also much healthier. You can do 200-250/week for some time then back to 100-150/week and you will get huge benefits in both muscle mass and recovery but you will still look natural at least to untrained eye.


> Just look at athletes before widespread steroid use. They have spent way more time training than actors and haven't looked like that even in sports that require dehydration like boxing.

How widely are you thinking, and where are you getting your stats? People have been using steroids for decades now, so comparing pre-steroid athletes to modern day athletes is apples and oranges. Exercise science has come a long way over the decades, not to mention the cultural ideal body images have also changed.


The article touches kind of similar topic - these competitions frame themselves as healthy look and wellness and what not, but the look is not achieved by healthy methods.




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